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your support and now on with the show

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welcome to the ufo happy hour featuring

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rob christopherson of the our strange

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skies podcast here's the thing about

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that case that case is charming as hell

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as opposed to billy meyer who is not

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charming in the slightest joe simonton i

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would listen to that man if he was still

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alive today tell me all about his alien

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pancakes

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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we are tipping back a few brews and we

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are just gonna chat the night aways

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we've got some listener questions that

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we're going to answer and today i am so

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excited to be doing this with my good

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buddy my colleague and my fellow

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podcaster rob christopherson of the our

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strange skies podcast rob what's going

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on my man not too much you know just uh

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just a chill night kicking back some

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bruce talking about ufos uh so thanks

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for having me on man thank you thank you

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so much what are you drinking tonight uh

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i am kicking back a hearty bottle of

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lebat blue my beer of choice oh i love

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it you know not many people know the bat

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outside of you know the east coast and

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canada so to hear that is just you know

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making my heart warm up my man

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yeah i mean there uh everybody goes to

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budweiser in america but the bat is like

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budweiser but a little bit lighter so

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you're not like kicking your butt by

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like eight o'clock at night so that's

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why i

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that's why you go with lebat it's it's

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great oh it's so good and it just you

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know it reminds me of home so much i

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miss new york and i was home for a few

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weeks recently and that's all i drank

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was lebat so it tasted good tastes like

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home and uh i'm very jealous right now i

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am getting a little fancy out here in

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los angeles i am drinking uh this is

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from modern times brewery right here in

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la it's called blazing world i thought

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that was very appropriate for tonight uh

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it's an amber l a little fruity a little

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hoppy a lot more hoppy for an l to be

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honest i thought maybe it was an ipa but

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which i usually hate i like the darker

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stuff i like the ambers

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but this is pretty good so i'm gonna go

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with this you know it's it's 95 degrees

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here i'm i'm recording in my mini studio

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which many people know is just my closet

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so uh

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so to have a nice cold light bear i

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think that's a perfect way to get this

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thing going absolutely man so we decided

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to do this because

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dude we talk off air so much about our

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grievances with things that go on

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in the ufo field and if there's one

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thorn in the side that has been

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bothering both of us i want to get this

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out of the way before we get to the

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listener questions which i think is

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going to be really fun but we're going

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to have what i'm calling a mummy

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skeleton party right now so let's take a

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so let's start with the 2003 case this

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is the atacama skeleton how much

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knowledge do you have on this one man

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because i remember when this first

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started and i remember when the first

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images started going around about it and

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i i will admit it was extremely

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compelling and pretty interesting but

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then i saw who was connected to this

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case so what do you know about our

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little atacama baby here

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uh it was in a chilean town near the

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atacama desert

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it was found by a guy named oscar munoz

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and he ended up selling it to a spanish

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businessman and

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eventually there were people that got

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wind of it one notable individual mr

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stephen greer who um how do we uh uh

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we're not fans let's just put it that

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way we're not

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uh i'm gonna have to clean that up

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you were saying

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we're not fans of of this individual but

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on uh on one of his documentaries what

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what the heck documentary was that it

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wasn't it was the latest one

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was it yeah it was just yeah it was

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serious and let me tell you he was

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seriously talking about how this thing

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was an alien um nice pun yeah

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well i mean no matter what i mean if

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you're a scientist and in the biologies

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yeah if this is we know this is an

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organism it's not matched up to any

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primate right any ancient hominid any

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modern primate any thing that is known

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so it's it's an unknown right it's what

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discovery is about and so you know the

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point i make to people is that

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so let it go where it goes

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i mean it's a it's a short skeleton it's

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only uh i think like

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15 or 16 inches long

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and eventually gary nolan and his team

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actually did dna studies on the skeleton

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they found it to be you know human

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because we've never had alien bodies i

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don't believe we've ever had alien

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bodies and it certainly didn't look

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alien to me it just looked like a child

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that obviously had some problems some

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deformities of some kind and now gary

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nolan is under fire

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for testing the skeleton it's dna

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because they went about it uh

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unethically and it it this thing is just

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a disaster all the way around absolutely

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the thing is this thing has been

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haunting us forever now we thought it

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was kind of done and now

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you know once once they once they sort

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of i'm going to put that in quotes

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definitively said this was human this

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was a stillborn of a

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a a female

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stephen greer and his cronies they

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refused to give up on this thing you

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know they they said we gotta give this

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thing back

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like this is so unethical that we keep

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doing this and greer went so far as to

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say that this was a cover-up within the

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scientific community

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dude this is

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this is disgusting it's it's immoral and

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it's just plain stupid i i can't even

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believe that this is up for debate in

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the ufo community still and i can't

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believe people like carol sue rosin

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promote greer's actions with this yeah

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you know um i used to respect this woman

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and to see that she's doing this it just

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it disheartens me so much

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yeah because it it precludes the fact

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like we need to stop dehumanizing

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whatever we find in archaeological digs

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in order to get us to that next step

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where we think we discovered alien life

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it is

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one of the most disgusting things i have

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ever come across it is highly unethical

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and it just gets my blood boiling it's a

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200 year old skeleton of a stillborn

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child and

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let's be honest to begin with gary nolan

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thought this thing was eight years old

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like what why what would make you think

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it's eight years old but look there was

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like you can look at features of the

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skeleton and say it's 100 human it's

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it's a child like

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what are these people thinking

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and this is not the only case of this i

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mean oh god right there

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there are two others 2003 2003 this is

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when this sort of started so we learned

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our lesson right right rob we're not we

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would never do this again

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no no we didn't we didn't learn our our

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lesson at all um of course

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we have uh the peruvian mummies that uh

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were recently discovered

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i forget how long ago now maybe a couple

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years ago now that had they had

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deformities they had three fingers and i

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believe three toes and they had

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supposedly elongated heads

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for the longest time they're touting

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these as alien mummies

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mommies mummies nazca peru and uh

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so yeah that was i believe it was either

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the tail end of 2016 or

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2017 maybe even early just when this

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came about and uh so who was first

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connected to this because this guy is

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gonna come up in our next one as well um

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our favorite person

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from mexico city mr

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mr heimi musan

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my name is jaime mausan i am an

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investigative journalist and i've been

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working as a journalist for the last 47

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years of my life

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he's one of your favorites

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one of your favorites

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that's the sound of 7 000 people

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clapping for him at his be witness event

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but we'll get to that in just a minute

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so the nazca peru mummy rob this

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what they sort of deduced from this and

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i know there's still

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tests being done

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on this um they believe that this was

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almost an amalgamation of different body

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parts from different mummies that were

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infused together

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this if you look at the photos of this

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thing it's got like this like white

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powdery

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plaster over it the moments are covered

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completely in this white dust but it's

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not just white dust it's something that

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is going to

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really

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dry the skin and the skin will be able

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to survive for so many years and they

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say this is what you know is masking

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that different body parts are put

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together so whatever this thing is it

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seems like there were you know grave

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robbers who kind of took piece by piece

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and lego'd this thing together

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maybe hoping someone would find it

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someday and someone did find it and i

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know that jaime put a lot of money into

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this you know to get the thing but again

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we are dealing with the remains of human

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no it's ridiculous man because like and

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i mean like it wasn't just jaime it was

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gaia.com gaia is completely committed to

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the story we're gonna let you know if

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it's human if it's non-human like i said

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our whole mission

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is just pure curiosity what could it be

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and to honestly give a journalistic

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approach to that that is our mission and

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that's what we hope to bring to you yes

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that series of documentaries about it

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and it's just like

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did you guys even bother to to like go

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through genetic testing before you just

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touted this thing is an alien and and

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that frustrates me more than anything

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that's that's not even good science

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that's not even science at all it's just

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speculation exactly yes and for a price

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you get to follow you know their

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discoveries as they make them this is

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just the beginning

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this is not the end not even with the

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samples there is so much more to come

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news flash it's

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body parts from humans okay so the most

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frustrating one out of these for me man

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was actually a couple years before the

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peru mummy and this was

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the roswell slides how nostalgic at this

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point oh yeah right

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so this

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sort of started um almost a year before

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the quote-unquote roswell slides came

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out when mr tom carey one of the

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original

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investigators most well-known on the

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roswell case said at an event we have a

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body

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and we have proof

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so this kind of went under the radar but

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i remember reading about it and i was

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like holy [\h__\h] what what he's just gonna

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leave us hanging like that

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and that that really got the ufo

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community buzz you know that tom carrey

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one of the lead investigators on roswell

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was saying that we have a body

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and then it kind of went silent for a

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while do you remember that

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yep yep they didn't nothing nothing came

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out and then oh god oh god and then it

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all came out

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yeah um

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well for for one thing okay let's just

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let's just describe this this photo of

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this mummy it's under glass clearly

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under glass

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it's also in a museum you could tell

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it's in a museum and i don't get where

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the alien portion comes it's

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like even if you go on the description

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of the bodies that were supposedly found

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at roswell is way too short for that

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right exactly well okay and even even

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like you said under glass in a museum

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with a placard yeah placard and you

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could tell that the placard was uh i

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believe it was

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rearranged or moved so you couldn't

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actually see what it said

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because in the photo you can see that

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it's just white there's nothing you

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could discern from it so obviously that

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was moved but carrie what are you

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thinking man like you just shot yourself

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in the foot

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like the guy one of the guys that gave

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us

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the essential timeline to roswell and

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you and you go and you present crap like

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this your credibility is down the tubes

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and and and for me like roswell is one

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of those things like when somebody asks

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me to recommend them a book

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like

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give them something that will maybe wet

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their whistle or something like that

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that's kind of what roswell is because

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there's so much crap to roswell so much

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controversy that it's

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it's almost a joke now at least it is to

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me i mean there may be some people that

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are finding new avenues and stuff like

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nick redfern's stuff is great right you

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know it's it's an interesting theory

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that you know is completely plausible

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but i i think like

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the roswell thing we just

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people got to stop acting like they

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found the new

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hip thing we found the bodies like no we

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haven't stop it yeah well and here's the

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thing man like so this whole debacle

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went down jaime musson rented out this

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huge auditorium and it was mexico city

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right yeah

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supposedly there were seven thousand or

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so people there

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uh he packed the place because he's

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really he's a celebrity there and he

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said that they had an alien body they

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had definitive proof that they found the

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roswell alien and there's proof done

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boom be witness witness the change of

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history

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hire your pay-per-view service now so

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you can enjoy the biggest event of all

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time high memo sign brings to you the

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evidence that extraterrestrial beings

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and the ufo phenomenon are a reality on

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our planet and that in 1947

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people who came from the deaths of the

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cosmos were recovered and also you could

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pay online to watch the entire event

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this event lasted four and a half hours

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to show one [\h__\h] slide oh my god so

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it was david ike level madness

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it reminded me of like the days of like

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you know the the the freak shows the

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circus yeah you know the circus was in

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town that day for for this event and

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again you mentioned tom carrey let's not

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forget don schmidt being involved with

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this as

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well the all-star roswell people and

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here's the thing with this one

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rob i don't know about you i still am

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questioning whether carrie and schmidt

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like

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if they really genuinely thought this

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was authentic and this was going to be

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it or if they knew all along that this

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was all a guise of this adam do

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character who brought the slides forward

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was going to make this documentary about

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the slides and that never came to be

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apparently right um i think dew was

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behind this the whole time and duped

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everybody probably made off with a [\h__\h]

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ton of money but

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at the end of the day

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this one really

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really hurt the ufo community for a

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while you know it was a huge joke in the

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mainstream and it was a huge joke to us

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as well you know don schmidt i will give

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him credit you know wrote a really long

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apology about it and said i i was i i

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just got caught up in it i got excited

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and you know this is just a lesson i've

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learned that's okay dude but how many

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lessons do you have to learn before you

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can say like we don't have bodies like

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right we're we're over 70 years now you

430
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could stop with the bodies thing you

431
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could just stop it

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and

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they said they couldn't decipher that

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placard we were talking about somebody

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did it a day later after the slide was

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out to the public a day later

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you're telling me you guys investigated

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this slide for years to see its

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authenticity and in a day a group of

440
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people was able to yeah

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yeah

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it's

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stock in the alien mummy thing we just

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need to stop it just listen like we

445
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don't even know what an alien is we just

446
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have this massive pop cultural

447
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thing where the alien has an enlarged

448
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head almond-shaped eyes and that's

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that's the only alien that we have like

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no we need to we need to stop we've

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never we don't have physical proof of an

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alien we just don't like if you want to

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go so far as to say that neil armstrong

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was an alien for stepping foot on the

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moon go ahead go ahead that's fine

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that's fine yeah but other than that we

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just need to stop speculating that

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human bodies found in the desert because

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these were all found in the desert have

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you noticed that yeah

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yeah exactly

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just human bodies found in the desert

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don't speculate they're aliens people

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please do not speculate they're aliens

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we don't have physical proof of an alien

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just stop it just stop it you know what

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i i i have nothing to add to that just

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stop it all right my man so moving on to

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another discussion you and i have had

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off air the term

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ufo now this is a big one under

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contention as of late i'd say especially

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after hillary clinton you know went

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public with uap in in in the press you

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know leading up to uh the election night

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and and you know there's a new name it's

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unexplained aerial phenomenon

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unexplained aerial phenomena really yep

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uap that's the latest nomenclature i

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like the old one i like ufo i don't know

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why so this one this one it's hard

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because

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we're so

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so conditioned to the acronym ufo when

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it comes to this topic

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but it's really not good anymore for

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what we're dealing with so i'm going to

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let you take the lead on this one

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because this was this was one you

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brought up to me first and foremost so

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yeah why isn't it why is it inadequate

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there we go

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well

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if we go back to the origins we go back

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to 52

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and we're going to project blue book and

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they were kind of looking for a new term

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to describe these because flying saucers

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just wasn't cutting it because i mean

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there's so much ridicule to the term and

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not everything was a saucer so it might

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have been rupelt himself that came up

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with the term unidentified flying object

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and i believe it was yeah yeah and

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the problem that i have with the term is

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is the word

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object and the the problem is is that

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you've you've now front loaded the term

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if we're

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taking ufos into this larger context of

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something that may not be 100 physical

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it doesn't totally fall in the realm of

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an object it's it's something else

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beyond that so for me

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object just it's too

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limiting as to what a ufo could be and

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also too the way that people throw

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around the term ufo i don't know if they

519
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totally understand it because like what

520
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i'll hear in conversations all the time

521
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is like well it was unidentified and it

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was flying so it's got to be a ufo and

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like no that's not what the term ufo

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means that's not what its intention was

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the intention was and i think

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the way heinek put it was you see

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something in the sky uh that remains

528
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unidentified long enough for someone to

529
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write a report about it

530
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yes or something like that but oh god

531
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yeah it's like not everything that's in

532
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the sky that you see is a ufo it has the

533
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potential to be a ufo but unless you got

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eyes and ears on it it and it's totally

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been investigated then it's not really a

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ufo i mean even if you go to heinek's

537
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long drawn out definition of ufo in the

538
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ufo uh experience it's

539
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there's working parts there i mean you

540
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got the person that sees it you've got

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you got the object itself and then the

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person that

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investigates it so it's a little more

544
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complicated than we

545
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then than we make it out to be but also

546
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it's just very limiting because

547
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yeah objects realistically a ufo you're

548
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only observing it with one sense most of

549
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:26,559
the time yeah i mean sometimes you hear

550
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:29,360
you hear something you get two but like

551
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:32,080
that's pretty much it so

552
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:33,600
i feel like

553
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,640
ufo is definitely limiting to

554
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:39,360
where people like john keel jacques

555
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:43,200
valley uh even heinek towards the middle

556
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:46,080
seventies on we're we're you know

557
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,880
working with this and we're theorizing

558
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:50,960
about it like it's

559
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:53,280
object is just a little too limiting for

560
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,799
me and

561
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:56,320
you know maybe

562
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:59,039
maybe clinton was a little too you know

563
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:00,720
a little too brash you need to dial it

564
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:02,480
back a bit you're not in the community

565
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,840
lady yeah she wishes she wishes

566
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:07,360
yeah just because you hang with john

567
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,039
podesta doesn't mean you're part of this

568
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:11,600
stop it i know fear of missing out on

569
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:12,960
her part

570
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,080
yeah

571
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:15,840
so i guess you know my question for you

572
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,000
rob would be then what what should we

573
00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:20,240
call them if we're not going to use ufo

574
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,919
anymore because of all the baggage that

575
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,600
comes with that what should we call

576
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:25,200
these things or should we just use all

577
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:27,520
different acronyms at this point i mean

578
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:30,640
i'm all for like singling in and

579
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,520
expediting but yeah what do we do if we

580
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:35,520
can't use this term that we've had for

581
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:36,480
so long

582
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:39,760
right well i mean uap's

583
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,320
it's a good term in in terms of

584
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:44,480
it's not it's broad it's it's not

585
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,919
limiting it's

586
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,760
it's good to go with but

587
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,600
maybe there is another term out there

588
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:51,760
maybe we'll come across it down the line

589
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:55,120
but i i think uap is a good start maybe

590
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:57,520
we could refine it down the line but

591
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:59,600
it's a good start it is a good start

592
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:01,360
because you change the o to p for

593
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:02,799
phenomena but then you still have the

594
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,320
aerial thing you know yeah so what about

595
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,080
what about are the objects seen under

596
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:10,799
water or this and that yeah it's just it

597
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:13,360
could go a million different ways so you

598
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:16,000
know it's tough it's tough yeah and i

599
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,039
mean like

600
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:19,440
if you think about it too like when we

601
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,000
call them you know abductions that's

602
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,400
also a limiting term too because we

603
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:26,720
don't fully know what's going on there

604
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:27,760
and

605
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:30,080
we can't always document that the people

606
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:31,919
that are being abducted have actually

607
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:33,919
left physically so

608
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,159
you know that's another tough one too so

609
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,480
it is yeah we're so

610
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:40,880
you know in the ufo field in general i'd

611
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:43,760
say we we're stuck with these terms that

612
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:47,039
we a lot of the older guard i would say

613
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,720
refuse to adapt to or evolve with so

614
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:52,880
it's hard it's hard because you know

615
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,360
abductions and ufos we've we've dealt

616
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:57,600
with this for so long you know but how

617
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,640
do we get the field quote unquote uh to

618
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,559
move forward with these new terms i

619
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,400
guess we just do it one research at a

620
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,720
time and hope the rest will follow and

621
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:08,559
if not you know going to leave you in

622
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,000
the dust guys i'm sorry guys and girls

623
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,120
i mean that's why this field needs

624
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:17,440
younger people more young people to you

625
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,159
know get some new inject some new life

626
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,400
into this you know it's definitely

627
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,559
needed at this point because when you

628
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:25,760
look at

629
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,400
the phenomenon from the course of like

630
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:30,640
the late 1800s all the way to now it's

631
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:33,600
evolved on its own it's evolved to suit

632
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:34,480
like

633
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,279
kind of our needs and what we

634
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:39,840
need to perceive it as so why shouldn't

635
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,159
we evolve with it i love that well you

636
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:44,480
did mention heinek a couple times and i

637
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,440
have to ask you on the spot here we had

638
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:49,919
this past week a trailer released for

639
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:53,039
the new history television show

640
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:56,799
based on true events it claims called

641
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:01,840
project blue book with our ufo dad as

642
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,240
the main character

643
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:06,240
we have a situation in west virginia

644
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,840
family reported seeing something falling

645
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:09,200
from the sky i'll get down there right

646
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:11,440
away i need you to meet someone first

647
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:14,559
my name is dr alan heineck you want me

648
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:17,600
to investigate flying saucers i want you

649
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:20,960
to help me prove to the public the truth

650
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:23,919
they don't exist so i have to ask you

651
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:26,799
you being probably the biggest highnick

652
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:29,840
fan i have ever met in my life

653
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:31,279
what did you think man what did you

654
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,240
think when you saw this trailer i um the

655
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,880
first thing that i thought was i need to

656
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:38,400
throw my phone

657
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,000
just like throw it across the room

658
00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:42,480
because i was i i was

659
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:45,240
not thrilled with it for the heineken

660
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:48,799
aficionados you're not gonna find a lot

661
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:51,279
good about this like the first thing

662
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,799
like one of the first things that shows

663
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:54,559
is the flatwoods monster which pineak

664
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:57,520
did not investigate right

665
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:00,960
and um other things uh heinek never saw

666
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:04,159
alien bodies in any bunkers heinek never

667
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,760
personally saw ufo up close and and all

668
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,360
that stuff

669
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:11,520
that being said if i could divorce

670
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:14,159
myself from the fact that this is j alan

671
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,320
heineck i might be able to enjoy this

672
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:19,120
but it's going to be hard agreed this

673
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,039
show looks slick it looks uh very well

674
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,720
written at least from the dialogue i

675
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:26,960
heard in the trailer and

676
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:29,679
again like kudos on them for finding

677
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,080
some obscure cases flatwoods lubbock

678
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:34,240
lights i saw in there a little bit what

679
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:35,520
else did we have

680
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:38,159
a few others but again you know like the

681
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:39,120
the

682
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:43,520
events yes but having nothing to do with

683
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,240
your main character that that is where i

684
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,559
have a problem why couldn't they have

685
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,120
just used some fictional character

686
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,159
instead of taking the legacy of a hero

687
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:57,120
in the ufo field and beyond even the

688
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,159
astronomy field and sully his name with

689
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:02,880
this fictional account the the case

690
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,279
history the actual case history is

691
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,880
interesting enough

692
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,480
why do we have to add all this other

693
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,559
stuff to it but again being in the

694
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:12,960
entertainment field myself i understand

695
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,360
that artistic license and that creative

696
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:17,600
process you have to

697
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:20,880
you have to divorce yourself from facts

698
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,200
sometimes but in this case

699
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:26,159
we personally both have spoken to and

700
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,960
reviewed the book of mark o'connell yeah

701
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:30,720
close encounters man it's it's a

702
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:33,679
phenomenal book i mean it

703
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:36,720
you could there's a great story in there

704
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,679
like

705
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,600
and he investigated a number of great

706
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:41,360
cases i mean

707
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,960
like i think one of my favorite facts

708
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,799
from that book is that when he was going

709
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:47,520
to investigate lonnie zamora's sighting

710
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:49,520
their car breaks down he's hitchhiking

711
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,840
all the way into socorro because he's

712
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,000
not gonna wait around like

713
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:55,919
there's so many great

714
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,720
cases from 47 all the way up to 69 if

715
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,039
you want to go there and even beyond you

716
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,760
know with qfos and and all the stuff

717
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,919
they were doing i don't understand why

718
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,679
you need to embellish because like if

719
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,679
you look at the tone of the trailer a

720
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:13,919
bit it almost kind of has a tiny bit of

721
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:17,200
a horror element to it like it's it's

722
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,919
suspenseful but it's like trying to like

723
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:22,000
rope you in because like the first shot

724
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:23,679
is of this

725
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:25,279
one guy in his car and then it

726
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:26,960
automatically just shuts down and then

727
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:30,080
bam there's a blue beam of light and

728
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,320
you know like i don't think we need to

729
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:34,640
go at it from a horror element because

730
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:37,919
there aren't a lot of good like even the

731
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,000
alien abduction horror movies there

732
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:42,080
aren't a lot of good ones right so it's

733
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:43,520
like there's enough like high

734
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:45,520
strangeness on its own

735
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:47,919
is a frightening concept uh when you

736
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:49,760
think about it and and

737
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:51,840
the fact that it just does not most of

738
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,080
what happens just does not fit into your

739
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:56,320
concept of what things are with that

740
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:58,799
being said i can kind of also understand

741
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,880
too at the same time because i

742
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,399
high strange is just not something that

743
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:04,480
you could probably easily film a perfect

744
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:07,200
example is the mothman prophecies if you

745
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,760
look at that movie like uh and you know

746
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:11,440
i'm i'm good friends with rich adam and

747
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:13,360
i've talked to him about the script and

748
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,159
he's like they had to edit so much of

749
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,159
that script that you know the really

750
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,159
scary stuff they left out because it

751
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:22,480
didn't make any sense so high

752
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:25,200
strangeness not an easy thing to film

753
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,399
i'll watch it begrudgingly and i'm

754
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,399
probably going to be angry about it but

755
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:32,000
you know what a tiny bit of me will

756
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:34,640
enjoy this i guarantee it i was going to

757
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,480
say the same thing man you know we are

758
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:39,200
ufo fanboys when it really comes down to

759
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,000
it yes we're researchers yes we are

760
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,080
investigators yes we're podcasters but

761
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:46,080
at the end of the day like we're fanboys

762
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:49,279
of ufos we really are and i embrace that

763
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:52,399
wholeheartedly and you know even just

764
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:55,520
hearing heineck hearing that name

765
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:57,919
on mainstream television like i got

766
00:31:02,470 --> 00:30:58,880
chills

767
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:02,480
the

768
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,120
flatwoods monster scene played out in

769
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,279
the trailer i'm just like oh my god this

770
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:09,760
is so cool so at the end of the day i'm

771
00:31:13,510 --> 00:31:12,159
going to watch it and i'm probably going

772
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,520
to enjoy it because it looks

773
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,760
entertaining as hell and there are going

774
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:17,279
to be those cherry-picking moments where

775
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,919
we're gonna be like oh mantel oh roswell

776
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:22,080
oh uh

777
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,679
socorro you know

778
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,360
it's gonna happen and we're gonna be

779
00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:27,840
excited and then you and i and the other

780
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,520
researchers are gonna pick out the

781
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,600
things that were wrong and we're gonna

782
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,600
bitterly talk about it with one another

783
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,919
and that's that's what television is

784
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,519
there's a million podcasts out there

785
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,120
about every television show you can

786
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:41,039
think of and that's what they do so

787
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:42,480
maybe we'll have to do that a little

788
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:45,600
project blue book uh mini sewed thing

789
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:48,799
once this thing starts but uh oh yeah i

790
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,799
think it'll be fun but again at the end

791
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:52,960
of the day the fact that heinek is

792
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,039
getting out there to the mainstream and

793
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,320
the ufo topic again i'm all for it even

794
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,399
if it is masked in entertainment and

795
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:02,320
some inaccuracies i'm still going to

796
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:03,840
watch it but it doesn't mean i'm not

797
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,760
going to complain about it yeah exactly

798
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,080
all right my man so let's move on to

799
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,320
some listener questions i put this out a

800
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:14,880
few days ago to see if anyone would

801
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,640
would bite and we got some really

802
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:18,320
interesting questions from listeners of

803
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:20,399
both your show the our strange skies

804
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:22,880
podcast and somewhere in the skies so i

805
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,960
want to start with um let's see

806
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:29,039
let's see what i got here this one is

807
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:32,720
from kevin and he asks is it possible

808
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:35,600
that the creation of space force pew pew

809
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:39,600
was inspired by intel about an alien

810
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:41,279
threat so

811
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,880
what are your thoughts on this this

812
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:44,720
whole space force thing that trump is

813
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,120
doing my administration is reclaiming

814
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:49,679
america's heritage as the world's

815
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:50,799
greatest

816
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,600
space-faring nation the essence of the

817
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:55,919
american character is to explore new

818
00:33:02,710 --> 00:32:59,840
horizons and to tame new frontiers but

819
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:02,720
our destiny beyond the earth is not only

820
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:05,200
a matter of national identity but a

821
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,320
matter of national security so important

822
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:11,039
for our military so important and people

823
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,880
don't talk about it when it comes to

824
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:14,799
defending america

825
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:16,960
it is not enough to merely have an

826
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:20,320
american presence in space we must have

827
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:23,760
american dominance in space do you have

828
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:25,840
any thoughts on this like i have this

829
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:28,640
picture in my head of somebody

830
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,600
in trump's cabinet like playing like

831
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:34,000
footage of gary mckinnon

832
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,120
talking about you know the uh whatever

833
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:39,600
the heck project he was talking about

834
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,080
officers i believe yes yeah yeah

835
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,640
non-terrestrial officers that's right um

836
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:46,559
and talking about

837
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:49,200
all this crazy crap and then you know

838
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,039
you've got the uh

839
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,519
the truthers coming forward and talking

840
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:56,000
about their service and our our space

841
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:58,240
force that we already apparently have

842
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:59,200
and

843
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,960
i i really

844
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,559
i really don't know maybe the man just

845
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:05,279
wants like to dominate the entire

846
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,200
universe

847
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:09,119
his ego might be that big i don't know

848
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,079
but it was i i um

849
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,919
i'm trying to remember exactly what i

850
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:16,320
did that day i think i laughed for about

851
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,839
five minutes

852
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:20,000
when i saw the video because i'm like i

853
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,839
understand how my country works and i

854
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:23,760
understand that the only way this is

855
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:25,839
gonna happen is if congress approves it

856
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,240
we we already spend enough on you know

857
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:29,839
our military budget there's no way

858
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:32,320
you're going to be able to ask people to

859
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:34,079
pay you're talking trillions more

860
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:35,839
there's no way that you could get that

861
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,240
off the ground without you know taxing

862
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,520
people like crazy here's an idea

863
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,000
why don't they charge every person that

864
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,040
goes to this uh this big military parade

865
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:49,440
he's putting on charge them each like

866
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:50,399
you know

867
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:53,679
45 million each ahead maybe that could

868
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:56,480
work that you know that that's not a bad

869
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:58,320
strategy

870
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:00,160
before i go any further man i do want to

871
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,320
say i have nothing but respect for our

872
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:03,760
military

873
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:06,800
yeah no police listeners don't take that

874
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,920
as an offense i i i highly respect them

875
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:12,240
yes they deserve a parade if it's the

876
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:13,839
best way to spend our money that's a

877
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:16,560
different question but yeah anyways i

878
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:20,240
interrupted no that's it's all good um i

879
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,599
just don't

880
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:23,760
understand what would inspire someone to

881
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,160
say we need a space force maybe this is

882
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:28,800
like you know that leftover reagan era

883
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:31,920
star wars stuff that he's you know all

884
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:34,160
giddy about or something well maybe i

885
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,920
don't know i mean

886
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:37,920
there they have been saying that this

887
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:40,560
actually has been long before trump was

888
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,880
in office that this was a possibility

889
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,119
and that a lot of a lot of people

890
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,040
thought it was a good idea including

891
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,520
neil degrasse tyson who actually

892
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:51,280
responded and said i think it's a good

893
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,079
idea he said you know in case there's

894
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,400
asteroids that ever reach the earth like

895
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,240
at least there's a contingency plan

896
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,720
ready for something like that 24 7

897
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:03,119
monitoring it ready to blow it up if

898
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,960
need be he said you know in terms of

899
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,119
like science and astronomy like this is

900
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:09,119
a good idea but again

901
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:12,160
space force it's military branch so

902
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,720
again it's just funneling more money

903
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,720
into the military industrial complex if

904
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:18,320
you think about it and money that we

905
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:21,920
don't have like you said so

906
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,160
that's kind of my thoughts on it i'm on

907
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,400
the fence you know i'd rather explore

908
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:28,560
space you know and help save our planet

909
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:31,040
rather than militarize it even more yeah

910
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,960
here's a here's a better idea why don't

911
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:35,200
you increase nasa's funding how about we

912
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,800
do that

913
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:38,160
i'm all for it you know instead of

914
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,440
cutting the funding how about you give

915
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:42,079
more money yeah i'm with you done

916
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,200
yeah um let's see kevin also asks what

917
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,599
do other countries say about ufos and

918
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:49,680
aliens which country do you guys think

919
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,480
is most open to disclosure what do you

920
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:54,560
think rob uh

921
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:58,720
disclosure that fun fun word um i i've

922
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,599
kind of come down to this theory that i

923
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,359
don't think disclosure's a real thing

924
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:05,599
because i don't think our military knows

925
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:08,320
anything about ufos so it's kind of just

926
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,640
like that buzz term you throw around

927
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:13,119
just because like automatically your

928
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,200
government has to know more i don't

929
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:16,960
think there's any government on this

930
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:19,760
planet that knows any more than any of

931
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,880
us but if you look at even in countries

932
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:24,800
like mexico

933
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:27,440
you look at england you the united

934
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,320
kingdom uh you look at

935
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:33,119
belgium all these places are a hell of a

936
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:35,920
lot more open about it than than we are

937
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:38,400
and i don't think disclosure's going to

938
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:41,040
be a thing that any government's going

939
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:43,280
to give to us it's just

940
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:45,359
i don't think they know what we think

941
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:46,400
they know

942
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:51,599
if anything a tiny bit more but nothing

943
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:52,480
i don't think they know anything

944
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:54,560
substantial i would have to agree yeah

945
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:57,040
the the only place i can really think of

946
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:58,560
that really kind of looked into it was

947
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:59,760
france

948
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:01,680
you know with guy pen and separa you

949
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,760
know they were the most open about it in

950
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,280
terms of the community

951
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:07,920
yep yep exactly brazil like you

952
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:10,480
mentioned as well uh mexico like they

953
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,680
all embrace the topic of ufos and aliens

954
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:16,000
uh whether or not like disclosure is

955
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:17,599
gonna happen through another country i

956
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,560
don't know but like you said i agree i

957
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:22,320
don't think our military and or

958
00:38:27,630 --> 00:38:25,280
government that big overarching word

959
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:27,640
government we have to remember how

960
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:30,560
compartmentalized it actually is um

961
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:31,520
that

962
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:33,359
they don't know

963
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,079
but

964
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,160
my friend robbie graham says they may

965
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,560
not know what's going on out there or

966
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,400
can control it but they control the

967
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,400
information that can get to the public

968
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,480
so that's kind of where i leave that i

969
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:46,880
don't know yeah not just the information

970
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:50,000
but the way that it's perceived yes it's

971
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:50,800
that

972
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,880
don't think a lot of people give

973
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:56,640
consideration to but like look at

974
00:39:02,230 --> 00:38:59,119
popular culture that's been formed i

975
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:02,240
mean it's it's not formed in like really

976
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:04,320
any kind of truth it's just gray alien

977
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,599
heads and

978
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,200
uh actually most of the time they're

979
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,200
green now even though nobody reports

980
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,079
ever seeing green aliens so

981
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:14,640
i do wonder where that sort of started i

982
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:17,599
don't know little green men yeah it's

983
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:20,560
interesting well okay so let's see

984
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,119
kevin's next question kevin kevin really

985
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:25,200
really yeah

986
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:27,520
he did i love it locked and loaded

987
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,400
according to cheryl costa's data ufo

988
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:32,320
sightings have dropped off in recent

989
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,880
years could this be due to lack of

990
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:36,880
reporting or do you think our technology

991
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:39,040
has advanced to the point where they may

992
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:42,320
be more cautious to approach hmm that's

993
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,280
a really good question i think

994
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:47,280
what it comes down to is

995
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:49,359
more people aren't reporting their ufo

996
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:50,560
sightings

997
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:51,440
and

998
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:54,320
uh to me i think you know there are uh

999
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:57,520
some factors to that i i discussed the

1000
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:00,560
some of it on my podcast when you

1001
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,200
like when mufon and and the whole john

1002
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,280
ventray thing like i get that people

1003
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:07,520
have their own views and i get how other

1004
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:09,200
people have a right to express those

1005
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:11,599
views but at the same time if you want

1006
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:14,079
to harbor someone in your organization

1007
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:16,000
who expresses those views well hey guess

1008
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,760
what there's going to be a certain

1009
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:19,520
sector of people that aren't going to

1010
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,160
want to report ufos to your organization

1011
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:24,480
you mean everyone but white males

1012
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:28,880
yes exactly oh okay okay yeah and that's

1013
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:31,040
problematic that makes your data

1014
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:32,800
problematic that makes it skewed quite a

1015
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,359
bit and if you look at the

1016
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:37,599
reporting centers look at mufon's

1017
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:39,760
website it is the most dated thing i

1018
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,680
think i have ever seen i don't think

1019
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:43,920
it's been updated since probably the

1020
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:46,720
early 2000s and then having experience

1021
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:51,440
with their cms it looks god awful

1022
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:52,960
it it really

1023
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:54,720
needs updating

1024
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:57,760
badly um and i mean even new fork their

1025
00:41:03,670 --> 00:40:59,599
website like they pretty much want you

1026
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:03,680
to fill a pdf out and send it to them

1027
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:08,000
i can't do that yeah like um

1028
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,520
yeah for a reason

1029
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:11,760
yeah don't this generation don't you

1030
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:14,000
understand we're we're on phones and

1031
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,160
stuff it's instant like why why has

1032
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:18,400
nobody upgraded this thing and sure i'm

1033
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,359
sure

1034
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:21,440
a portion of it comes down to money but

1035
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,880
you'd figure mufon of all places that

1036
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,640
yeah maybe they don't then maybe they're

1037
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:29,040
not swimming in it but they're gotta be

1038
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,480
they gotta have enough money to upgrade

1039
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:32,720
their system i mean yeah i mean where is

1040
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,520
the membership dues going yeah i mean it

1041
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:37,599
was something like new fork you've got a

1042
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,160
one-man band in a you know a abandoned

1043
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:44,720
missile silo taking all these reports

1044
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,599
like i get that he's he's on the older

1045
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,599
side he doesn't he probably isn't tech

1046
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:51,839
savvy when it comes to like the website

1047
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:54,480
like you leave the dude messages on his

1048
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,040
answering machine to report these things

1049
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,200
yeah you know that's how you do it if

1050
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:01,520
you're not going filling out a pdf

1051
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,160
online but in terms of move fun you're

1052
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:06,800
right man like they have

1053
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,280
clearly have people who are tech savvy

1054
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:11,760
within the organization and they have

1055
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,280
funds and

1056
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,440
you're right it's just i i don't get it

1057
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:17,520
i don't get it but you know what i in

1058
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,319
terms of like his point of have they had

1059
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:22,240
the reports dropped off or has the

1060
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,640
activity dropped off that's another big

1061
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,400
one that i kind of was looking at i

1062
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:28,800
think people are looking to the skies

1063
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,839
less too now and yes and of course

1064
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,680
that's also going to dramatically affect

1065
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:35,359
reporting if they're not actually

1066
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,280
looking in the sky and seeing things i

1067
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:39,359
also think that it's quite possible that

1068
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,400
if some sort of intelligence has and is

1069
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:45,040
visiting our planet maybe they've

1070
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,640
started to move on at this point you

1071
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,560
know that's kind of what the the comedic

1072
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,319
episode of the x-files was in this

1073
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,040
season 11. the aliens finally came down

1074
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:55,200
and told mulder um

1075
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:58,079
yeah we're here but we're never coming

1076
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,079
back we've sort of given up on you guys

1077
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:02,000
so goodbye

1078
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:03,520
good luck

1079
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:06,319
see ya um so i thought that was a

1080
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,800
brilliant way to sort of cap off the

1081
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,240
x-files that should have been their

1082
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:12,720
finale but maybe it's true maybe we

1083
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:15,520
aren't as you know such great importance

1084
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:17,920
to this galactic federation any longer

1085
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:21,200
or maybe they're just on vacation

1086
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:22,880
i imagine it's not easy coming all the

1087
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,040
way here adapting to our atmosphere

1088
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,359
trying to stay off radars be elusive

1089
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:29,599
abduct people maybe they just needed a

1090
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:32,400
really good vacation maybe they're you

1091
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:33,119
know

1092
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,680
thing but like when you think about like

1093
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:42,960
the um

1094
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,680
the all-time great cases going back the

1095
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,359
last 70 years

1096
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:49,599
how many of them are from the year 2000

1097
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:50,560
and up

1098
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:53,760
not that many they you you have the

1099
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:58,400
southern illinois sightings you have um

1100
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:01,599
o'hare you have stephenville um and

1101
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:03,200
these are just the american sightings

1102
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:05,200
i'm not even talking about uh the

1103
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:07,040
sightings in other countries but like

1104
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,720
those are the really the only three that

1105
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:10,800
come to mind oh and then maybe tinley

1106
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,640
park you know because a bunch of people

1107
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:14,400
who are coming from oz fest saw some

1108
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:15,370
ufos

1109
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,720
[Music]

1110
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:18,240
yeah

1111
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:20,079
i'm sure they weren't on anything at

1112
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,359
that time

1113
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,240
no but i mean like you know like that's

1114
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,079
what one of the things that i miss more

1115
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:28,720
than anything like please cancel

1116
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,160
please cancel

1117
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,400
ancient aliens bring back ufo hunters i

1118
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:33,839
don't care

1119
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,920
you know how crazy they got on that show

1120
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,839
because they did here and there i would

1121
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:39,680
rather have that than ancient aliens all

1122
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,359
day long agreed i loved ufo hunters for

1123
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,280
anyone out there if you haven't watched

1124
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:48,000
the show please watch it please please

1125
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,040
go watch it um bill burns is [\h__\h]

1126
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,280
crazy and i love it

1127
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,599
he is but like you know what he gets

1128
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,359
things done with his craziness i will

1129
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:59,359
give him that much absolutely yeah and

1130
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,359
he's not afraid to go there you know

1131
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:03,040
while he's got the skeptical

1132
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:04,800
investigators out there actually like

1133
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,839
trying to

1134
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:08,160
replicate a ufo event and actually find

1135
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:11,359
answers eliot it's aliens it's aliens i

1136
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:14,240
love it i love bill burns so much

1137
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,680
uh yeah oh man bring back ufo hunters

1138
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:19,520
please please please all right so here's

1139
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:20,960
the last one from kevin i think we've

1140
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,480
given kevin um is uh his time here this

1141
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,800
is a good one too what planet or moon in

1142
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:28,960
our solar system do you think has the

1143
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:31,599
best chance of harboring life this one's

1144
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,319
interesting i actually i i spoke to seth

1145
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,720
shawstack at aliencon maybe what was it

1146
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,480
like a month ago now and i actually

1147
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:40,160
asked him that same question so i'm so

1148
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:41,839
happy kevin brought this up you know

1149
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:43,599
he's the senior astronomer at the seti

1150
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:44,960
institute for anyone who doesn't know

1151
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,359
right and he told me he believes it to

1152
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:49,599
be a moon actually a moon of saturn

1153
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,240
called enceladus i i hope i'm

1154
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:54,000
pronouncing that right i i'm not good

1155
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:54,800
with

1156
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,599
are reservoirs of liquid water that lie

1157
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:01,680
beneath the frozen surface and you know

1158
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,200
they're warmed by the gravitational

1159
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:04,880
interactions between the moon and other

1160
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:07,680
moons on saturn uh so he thinks that's

1161
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:09,680
our best bet i don't know do you have

1162
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:12,160
any ideas rob you brushed up on your

1163
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:16,880
astronomy here no not really like

1164
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:19,599
i know i know i i kind of rail against

1165
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:22,400
it a little bit just because like uh i'm

1166
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,400
i'm so worn out by the extraterrestrial

1167
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:26,400
hypothesis i'm just like

1168
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,599
um i i don't know i don't think i i we

1169
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,680
don't have the technology to visit them

1170
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:33,839
maybe when they come to visit us we'll

1171
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,079
figure that out but it's just it's

1172
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,319
something that i don't even think about

1173
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,400
largely because like at the same time

1174
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:43,119
while it's exciting we're so i'm so worn

1175
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:44,720
out over hey

1176
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,560
we found this many planets that could

1177
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,800
support life in the goldilocks zone or

1178
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,200
we found this many stars that could

1179
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:53,280
support life and it's to me that's

1180
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:55,599
almost kind of limiting because

1181
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:59,280
your parameters for what life is is

1182
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:01,520
limited to what we are and what we have

1183
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:04,720
on this planet and right and while i can

1184
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:07,440
totally entertain that to me it's just

1185
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:10,880
limiting so whenever i hear

1186
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:14,720
new information about uh oh we found a

1187
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,119
planet that has water on it and and

1188
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:19,680
could totally support life i'm just like

1189
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,400
cool i i dig it when are the aliens

1190
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:24,480
showing up

1191
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,359
exactly yeah we do we always base it on

1192
00:47:30,550 --> 00:47:29,680
you know our composition you know what

1193
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:30,560
uh

1194
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:33,040
life on earth you know the carbon makeup

1195
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,040
of us why does it have to be that why

1196
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:37,599
can't life thrive on you know a methane

1197
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,640
planet or or a planet full of arsenic i

1198
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,319
don't know you're right

1199
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:44,160
yeah yeah like just bring me bring me

1200
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,560
the aliens awesome kevin thank you for

1201
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:48,960
those questions next up is saul sal's

1202
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,680
got a good one here if there is one ufo

1203
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,520
incident or event that you would wish to

1204
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:55,680
investigate and solve

1205
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:58,079
if that would be possible he adds which

1206
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:59,920
would you choose and what do you think

1207
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:02,240
the conclusion would be

1208
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:05,200
yeah the case that has oh god it is it

1209
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,160
has bugged me for years is

1210
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,480
lonnie zamora and part of the reason why

1211
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,640
lonnie zamora's case gets to me so much

1212
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,720
is just he's this innocent cop that's

1213
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:16,480
just in the wrong place at the wrong

1214
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:18,160
time and

1215
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:19,920
one of the most charming things about

1216
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:22,240
him is that when all is said and done

1217
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:24,079
the guy's upset because he didn't re he

1218
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:26,240
didn't uh meet his quota for tickets for

1219
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:27,040
the day

1220
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:28,079
like

1221
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:33,440
the most transformational

1222
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,720
ufo experiences of his life and he ends

1223
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:38,720
up getting ridiculed off the police

1224
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,720
force ends up retiring from the police

1225
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:42,000
force and

1226
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:44,240
the thing is is like when you boil down

1227
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:45,359
all the

1228
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,280
you get to the nitty gritty of it it's

1229
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:51,839
either from earth or it's not from earth

1230
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,400
those are the only explanations that are

1231
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,880
you know that could even fit and you

1232
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:58,960
know we we know it's a good case because

1233
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:01,920
we have a correlated sighting from some

1234
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:04,000
family at a gas station that said that

1235
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,359
hey our car was buzzed by a ufo and then

1236
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,359
when you when did this happen rob i'm

1237
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:11,440
sorry this is the socorro case oh the

1238
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:14,319
socorro yeah it was in 1964. thank you

1239
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:15,760
thank you yes

1240
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,359
in new mexico um and uh yeah we could

1241
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,119
just like run down the basics of it for

1242
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,520
those that that don't know why not yeah

1243
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:25,359
i you know i'm trying to open the show

1244
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,920
up to uh a lot of people who may not be

1245
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:29,680
familiar with these things so this might

1246
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:31,520
be a good primer for him for sure

1247
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:33,359
because this is one of my favorite cases

1248
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:34,640
as well if you don't mind i know you

1249
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:36,960
have extensive uh you've done you've

1250
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,720
done your homework on this one for sure

1251
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,720
oh yeah oh yeah so

1252
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:42,720
lonnie zamora he's

1253
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:45,680
pursuing a car south of town it's about

1254
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:48,319
5 45 in the afternoon

1255
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,359
and

1256
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:51,440
all of a sudden he hears this really

1257
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,520
loud roaring sound and he sees this blue

1258
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,400
light this blue beam of fire just

1259
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:00,800
descending into the desert at first he

1260
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:03,520
just thinks that it's the uh the mayor's

1261
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:05,359
old dynamite shack and it's about to

1262
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:08,720
explode because you know every you know

1263
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:10,960
outskirts of town needs a dynamite shack

1264
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,319
so he uh he approaches the dynamite

1265
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,319
shack and

1266
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:18,960
he sees at first what he believes to be

1267
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,200
an overturned car because he could see

1268
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,280
people outside

1269
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:25,280
road

1270
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,280
about a half a mile and then i stuck my

1271
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:29,760
car and i got out and looked up

1272
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:32,240
and i could see a white

1273
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:34,000
uh looking object

1274
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:35,359
in the distance

1275
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:36,800
i thought it was an overturned car at

1276
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:39,200
first but i got into my patrol car went

1277
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,880
up closer to it

1278
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:43,200
and when i started to get out of the car

1279
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:45,680
i could i heard a big

1280
00:50:48,829 --> 00:50:46,640
roar

1281
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:48,839
as i got to it i could see

1282
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,920
a couple of look like couple of

1283
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:53,280
coveralls

1284
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,520
hanging from a close line i couldn't see

1285
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,440
what it was but it looked like a couple

1286
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:59,680
of cover holes when he gets closer what

1287
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:01,760
he realizes is no it's not an overturned

1288
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:03,680
car it's an egg-shaped

1289
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:06,640
object that has landing pods down and

1290
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:10,480
there are two humanoids uh wearing these

1291
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,040
white coveralls just outside the craft

1292
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:15,280
doing whatever they're doing

1293
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,160
and uh when one of them

1294
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,400
sees lonnie zamora they get they got

1295
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:22,400
this shocked look on their face

1296
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:26,160
they get back into their uh ufo

1297
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,400
and uh the that blue stream of fire it

1298
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:32,240
lifts the craft up into the air and then

1299
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:35,520
it silently flies off and lonnie zamora

1300
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:37,839
just a really salt to the earth guy he

1301
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:40,400
calls in for backup and his buddy

1302
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,800
sergeant chavez shows up and they go and

1303
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:44,880
they go looking at the landing site and

1304
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:46,640
they find that there are

1305
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:49,920
bushes that are singeing they find marks

1306
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,559
in the ground yeah this uh this case

1307
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:54,720
pretty much ruined lonnie zamora's life

1308
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:55,599
yeah

1309
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,000
unfortunately but it's it's become kind

1310
00:52:02,549 --> 00:51:59,760
of a stronger case over the years and

1311
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,559
even jacques valet has this nice little

1312
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:04,880
anecdote about a

1313
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:07,839
ufo sighting from uh earlier in the day

1314
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:09,280
in new york of a

1315
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:12,319
of a craft that matches the description

1316
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,440
of course

1317
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,599
uh when zamora reported it he talked

1318
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:17,599
about seeing some kind of symbol on the

1319
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,079
side but this new york farmer that came

1320
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:22,160
across it didn't see it but he did

1321
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:24,960
encounter these uh two humanoid beings

1322
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:27,520
and they told him that they were from

1323
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:28,640
mars

1324
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:30,880
and that they wanted fertilizer

1325
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,119
so so the the farmer goes and gets the

1326
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:37,200
fertilizer and as he's leaving the craft

1327
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,760
lifts off and disappears he brings the

1328
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:41,440
fertilizer back though

1329
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:43,119
and the next morning when he goes out to

1330
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,920
this uh plot of land which he was um he

1331
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:47,680
was looking for to

1332
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,559
uh increase his farmland he goes back

1333
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:52,960
out there the fertilizer's gone so

1334
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:55,440
you know this uh this is one of those

1335
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:57,040
really weird

1336
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:00,720
fun cases that um yeah if if i could

1337
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:03,359
solve that i would totally be

1338
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,760
uh i would be elated i would retire i

1339
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,200
wouldn't even need to do a podcast

1340
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:09,599
anymore i just you know uh go soak it up

1341
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:12,160
or something call it a day i love it i

1342
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,920
love it man that's one of my favorite

1343
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:15,359
cases as well

1344
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:18,559
goofy is all hell but again such a

1345
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,720
straight shooter that you you can't help

1346
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:22,960
but believe this guy you can't help it

1347
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:24,400
there's another silly case we're gonna

1348
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:27,599
cover a little later here um as well one

1349
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:30,319
of the questions that we have but um for

1350
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:32,000
me i think it would have to be

1351
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:34,160
rendelsham you know i was looking for a

1352
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:36,960
really obscure case but i kept coming

1353
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:39,280
back to britain's roswell this happened

1354
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,480
in 1980 in rental share forest which was

1355
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:45,040
between two joint military bases in

1356
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,640
england there was three consecutive

1357
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:51,119
nights of ufo events in this forest a

1358
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,960
ton of military personnel were sent out

1359
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,720
to investigate it

1360
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:56,960
uh there was a craft that was seen

1361
00:54:02,390 --> 00:53:59,760
hovering above one of the bases

1362
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:02,400
lights coming down over the nuclear

1363
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:05,040
bunkers that were secretly nuclear

1364
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:06,559
weapons were being housed at one of the

1365
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:09,359
bases at the time unbeknownst to england

1366
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,160
uh the american-owned base was hiding

1367
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,559
them supposedly a craft landed a couple

1368
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:17,040
officers touched it and then this thing

1369
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:19,599
shot up disappeared and it's crazy man

1370
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:22,000
it's a crazy case there it's well

1371
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:23,920
documented but there were so many

1372
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,599
witnesses to it

1373
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:27,520
and that's what really got me there's

1374
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:29,920
documents there's audio recordings

1375
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:33,040
there's the first ever lawsuit that was

1376
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:35,440
won by one of the officers that involved

1377
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,160
an actual ufo event as the cause of the

1378
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:40,400
officer's ailments after this all

1379
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:43,440
happened and it's just so full of weird

1380
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:44,480
[\h__\h]

1381
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,160
that for me

1382
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,559
what i think my conclusion with this

1383
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:50,480
case would be is that it was some sort

1384
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:53,119
of mk ultra like thing

1385
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:56,640
and i know my mentor peter robbins if he

1386
00:55:00,790 --> 00:54:59,119
hears this is going to hate me for

1387
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,800
saying that

1388
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,559
because he did write like one of the

1389
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:04,559
definitive books on the case a british

1390
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:06,880
bestseller but the way i look at it you

1391
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:08,960
know these guys were drugged after the

1392
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,839
events happened to try to get them to

1393
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,200
tell the truth about what they'd

1394
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,680
experienced and whatnot a lot of the

1395
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:17,200
officers said they were in like a

1396
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:19,119
dream-like state while it was all

1397
00:55:24,790 --> 00:55:22,079
happening and it seemed just so

1398
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:24,800
odd so weird and also

1399
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:27,440
staged that was another big thing like

1400
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:29,680
it almost seemed too good to be true

1401
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,720
in many ways i think maybe

1402
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:34,559
this was some sort of psycho this was

1403
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:37,200
during the cold war this is in the 80s

1404
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:39,440
you know some shady [\h__\h] was going on

1405
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:42,079
man but the way it was all handled it

1406
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:43,839
just to me

1407
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:47,200
it seemed like it was almost planned and

1408
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:50,400
i don't know how else to put that i'm

1409
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,680
sure there's so much to contradict

1410
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,160
everything i just said but at the end of

1411
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:58,079
the day it it happened there's

1412
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:00,480
documentation of it there's audio

1413
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,799
recordings sorry what were you gonna add

1414
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,240
well like

1415
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:06,480
when you think about it like what's the

1416
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,040
other really famous case from that time

1417
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:11,040
that actually shares a lot of features

1418
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:12,799
of the rentals from case

1419
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:15,599
cash landrum if you look at cash landrum

1420
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,480
the object that they saw was like

1421
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:20,880
it had harsh geometrical patterns it was

1422
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:22,880
like diamond shaped right

1423
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,440
whereas in in rendell shim it was this

1424
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,280
like there were like it was like a

1425
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:29,520
triangle on top of a triangle you have

1426
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:32,240
the witnesses that both experienced you

1427
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:35,760
know ill health effects from this object

1428
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:37,839
and they both end up suing the

1429
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,000
government over this you're right i

1430
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:41,920
forgot about that yeah cash ledger that

1431
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:43,920
was in texas correct

1432
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:46,640
yeah yeah it was in texas and i think it

1433
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:47,920
was like

1434
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:53,200
maybe day before day after you're right

1435
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:56,400
yeah yeah uh two women a little boy they

1436
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,160
witnessed it and they all had elements

1437
00:57:01,589 --> 00:57:00,160
afterwards radiation

1438
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,599
sickness which

1439
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:03,359
also a lot of the people in the rental

1440
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:05,200
shrimp case had and then they went out

1441
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:06,559
there with gender counters and those

1442
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,359
things were [\h__\h] going nuts i mean

1443
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:11,280
clearly there was some sort of

1444
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,400
technology

1445
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:13,760
emitting

1446
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,319
very unhealthy doses of radiation at

1447
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:18,880
both these events so you do

1448
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,440
really have to wonder you have to wonder

1449
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:23,680
i i don't know so in terms of that i'd

1450
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:26,720
say rendlesham for me it just all seemed

1451
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:29,599
too good to be true but if anyone hasn't

1452
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:30,480
heard

1453
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,079
go to youtube right now and type in uh

1454
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:36,640
bass commander recordings rendosham

1455
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,319
forest or anything charles halt render

1456
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:42,480
shrimp forest you can hear the audio

1457
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,799
recordings of the base commander doing a

1458
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:46,559
play-by-play of what was happening in

1459
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:54,390
still getting terrifying on the meter

1460
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:56,240
about two clicks

1461
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,920
three to four clicks getting stronger

1462
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:59,040
all right i think it's something other

1463
00:58:00,870 --> 00:58:00,160
than the ground i think it's something

1464
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:00,880
that's

1465
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:03,280
something valuable or tree right

1466
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:05,119
the first night we've seen we're about

1467
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:08,160
150 to 200 yards on the site everything

1468
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:10,160
else is just definitely calm

1469
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,000
there is no doubt about it or some type

1470
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:14,640
of strange flashing red light ahead so i

1471
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:17,119
saw y'all attention it too

1472
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:18,240
weird

1473
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:20,400
it's terrifying listening to these tapes

1474
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,319
so yeah that's it for me if i could

1475
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:24,400
solve one case for me it would have to

1476
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:25,200
be

1477
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:28,079
rendosham so let's move on to our mutual

1478
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:30,880
friend here rosie from the rabbit hole

1479
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,920
motel podcast she's got a couple really

1480
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:35,520
good ones and these are actually for you

1481
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:38,000
rob so get ready brother buckle yourself

1482
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:38,799
up

1483
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:41,280
her first question here is here's one i

1484
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:42,400
think rob will have something

1485
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,119
interesting to say why do you think ufo

1486
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:47,200
phenomena have different eras there's

1487
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:49,119
time periods where it seems to be mostly

1488
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:51,119
aerial sightings then it becomes about

1489
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:53,440
abductions for a while i know he's very

1490
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:56,799
interested in how weird the 70s get it's

1491
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:58,960
all like they're fads of some sort so

1492
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:01,119
what do you make of that man ufos

1493
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:04,160
throughout the decades it's kind of like

1494
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:05,040
the

1495
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:08,559
talks about

1496
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:11,920
how the phenomena changes to fit our

1497
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:14,160
world view in a certain sense you go

1498
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:18,400
from airships in 1896 to 1897.

1499
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:21,520
and then it's pretty quiet for a while

1500
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:25,200
and then you go to 42 and in the battle

1501
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:27,760
of los angeles whatever happened there

1502
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:28,799
you know and

1503
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:30,799
that's still something that's hotly

1504
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:33,359
contested mostly because we only have

1505
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:34,559
one real

1506
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:37,359
uh eyewitness that has come forward to

1507
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:39,359
actually talk about it and his i believe

1508
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:42,160
his name is c scott littleton and

1509
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:43,920
he actually wrote a book about what it

1510
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:46,480
was like to grow up in los angeles

1511
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:48,799
around that time so

1512
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:51,040
you have that and then stuffed yeah

1513
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:52,720
stuff just goes crazy in l.a they're

1514
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:54,720
shooting in the air and um

1515
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:56,480
maybe they get the idea well we'll come

1516
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:58,240
back in a few years and see if anything

1517
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:01,520
has changed so you hit 47 and

1518
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:03,440
despite the fact that

1519
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:06,000
they were calling them flying saucers

1520
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:08,799
they all weren't saucers they were discs

1521
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,599
which you can call you know a spade a

1522
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:14,000
spade or whatever but to me that's a

1523
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:16,240
totally different thing uh from there

1524
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:18,799
they've kind of you know stayed within

1525
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:22,319
the same you know kind of configurations

1526
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:24,880
you had the triangles start to show up

1527
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:26,799
in the 60s but

1528
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:30,960
yeah it just seems to curtail itself to

1529
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,359
whatever era we're in in in our

1530
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:35,520
understanding of our place in the

1531
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:38,240
universe the 70s were a really weird

1532
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:40,880
time for abductions and a lot of them go

1533
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,760
like under not under reported but just

1534
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,680
they're not talked about you know past

1535
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:47,599
kagula that has got to be

1536
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:50,079
uh the pascagoula abductions uh uh

1537
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:52,480
charles hickson and calvin parker holy

1538
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:54,400
crap those beings

1539
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:55,280
um

1540
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:57,440
let's let's see the descriptors uh they

1541
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,160
had they were like five feet tall had

1542
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:02,160
wrinkly skin which makes me always think

1543
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:03,839
of the michelin man

1544
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:05,760
and then they had like carrot-like

1545
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:07,440
appendages on their

1546
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:10,880
head they had lobster claws and elephant

1547
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:12,960
feet i don't even know where you begin

1548
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:15,040
with that um

1549
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:18,240
yeah and it it gets weirder and weirder

1550
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:20,960
there's there's a case that i talk about

1551
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:23,359
on patreon on my patreon it'd actually

1552
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:25,920
be a free episode so everybody will be

1553
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:27,280
able to check it out but it's the

1554
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:30,000
abduction of this man named lee parish

1555
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:35,359
he was abducted in uh kentucky in 1977

1556
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:38,480
and he was abducted by machine like

1557
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:40,960
beings he was driving home from a

1558
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:43,040
friend's house late at night

1559
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:45,119
and he gets taken up and aboard this

1560
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:47,839
craft and what he sees before them is

1561
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:50,720
this really large black um it almost

1562
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:53,839
looks like a wall to his left he sees

1563
01:01:57,030 --> 01:01:55,119
this white

1564
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:57,040
machine in front of him and then he sees

1565
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:59,359
this red one on his right and they do

1566
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:00,160
these

1567
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:04,960
that are attached and then they deposit

1568
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:07,520
him back in his truck like 30 some odd

1569
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:10,160
minutes later it is one of the weirdest

1570
01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:14,880
cases i have ever read uh i did one on i

1571
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:16,960
did an episode on the david stevens

1572
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:18,480
abduction which

1573
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:21,839
the beings in that had mushroom shaped

1574
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:24,640
heads with they had really large kind of

1575
01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:26,640
black eyes with white pupils and they

1576
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:28,000
had webbed

1577
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:33,200
hands they did the 70s are just weird

1578
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:34,480
i love it

1579
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:36,640
yeah and then when you then when you

1580
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:40,079
transition into the 80s you get these

1581
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:43,920
archetypal grays and like kind of the

1582
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:46,400
similar looking grays and

1583
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:48,559
it seems like you know whitley strieber

1584
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:51,119
kind of just popularized the these

1585
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:52,720
beings and that's what everybody

1586
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:54,480
interacted with but that's not always

1587
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:56,160
the case and i mean right even in your

1588
01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:57,760
even in your book you've taught you've

1589
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:00,480
talked to people who reported very very

1590
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:03,520
strange looking beings that i've never

1591
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:05,760
come across before or since so there's

1592
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:08,480
definitely a variety but i i do think

1593
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:10,400
it's a phenomenon that shapes itself

1594
01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:13,520
around our not world view but our view

1595
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:15,520
of the universe and everything around us

1596
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:17,920
so yeah it's it's definitely one of the

1597
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:19,599
weird features of the phenomenon for

1598
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:20,799
sure yeah

1599
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:22,559
absolutely and i love that about it it's

1600
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:25,520
extremely amorphous it it tries to

1601
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:27,680
relate to maybe you know what's going on

1602
01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:29,680
in our society and culture at the time

1603
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:32,559
just to have some sort of resemblance

1604
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:34,799
you know to communicate something to us

1605
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:36,559
what that is i have no idea when it

1606
01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:38,400
comes to a mushroom head and black eyes

1607
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:40,880
or lobster claws but at the end of the

1608
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:41,839
day

1609
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:44,640
like that's what it is and that's what

1610
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:46,799
it's you know trying to that's what it's

1611
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:48,799
showing us and it's up to us how we

1612
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:50,240
interpret that and how we give it

1613
01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:53,280
meaning and purpose i think so yeah

1614
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:55,280
it's fascinating so rosie's next

1615
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:57,839
question is in the history of public

1616
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:00,160
acceptance of citing claims it seems

1617
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:02,799
like things are changing less belittling

1618
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:04,880
and teasing and fewer mocking news

1619
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:07,680
stories i give credit to millennials who

1620
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:09,119
tend to honor everyone's different

1621
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:11,280
perspective journey than previous

1622
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:13,520
generations there's lots of good with

1623
01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:15,839
this it's exciting to watch the shift in

1624
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:19,119
the waters but how do you both see that

1625
01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:21,680
this could also cause problems how do we

1626
01:04:26,710 --> 01:04:24,160
proceed with caution and not end up

1627
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:26,720
reaffirming to the less invested public

1628
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:29,200
that this phenomenon is something silly

1629
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:35,589
you know that's that's a tough one just

1630
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:36,960
because

1631
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:38,880
there's always going to be an element of

1632
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:41,440
this phenomenon that's just not going to

1633
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,920
be taken seriously by whatever groups of

1634
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:45,359
people

1635
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:47,920
it might be maybe the older crowd is

1636
01:04:51,670 --> 01:04:49,280
definitely not open to it and the

1637
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:51,680
younger crowd is but

1638
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:55,200
you're always going to have a large to

1639
01:04:58,870 --> 01:04:57,119
me a large portion of the population

1640
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:58,880
that is not

1641
01:05:03,349 --> 01:05:00,880
even going to consider this

1642
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:03,359
an actual thing i i don't think it's any

1643
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:06,480
particular one thing uh that is going to

1644
01:05:11,109 --> 01:05:08,960
prevent people from you know looking

1645
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:11,119
into this anymore because like if you if

1646
01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:13,839
you look at the crazy cases of the 70s

1647
01:05:17,829 --> 01:05:16,480
compared to now a lot of ufo sightings

1648
01:05:20,309 --> 01:05:17,839
are

1649
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:20,319
i would say tamer

1650
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,720
at least in in the public like we don't

1651
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:24,480
hear an awful lot about abduction

1652
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:27,760
reports today right um and and i think

1653
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:29,520
you know maybe that has something to do

1654
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:31,200
with the fact that you know those that

1655
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:34,559
were investigating it um were very you

1656
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:36,480
know they tried to keep a a

1657
01:05:40,150 --> 01:05:37,440
public

1658
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:40,160
face about themselves and you don't have

1659
01:05:43,750 --> 01:05:41,920
as much of that anymore i mean like

1660
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:43,760
kathleen martin's doing great work with

1661
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:46,000
mufon but that's with mufon it's it it's

1662
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:48,000
not going beyond that

1663
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:48,720
so

1664
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:51,920
i think largely it's you know part of it

1665
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:54,079
comes down to

1666
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:56,319
who's who's now shaping this phenomenon

1667
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:58,400
the people that are bringing this uh

1668
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:00,720
information to the public you know it's

1669
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:03,599
being i think reshaped by different

1670
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:05,520
people but i don't think there's any

1671
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:08,559
going to be any major block

1672
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:11,119
or any major thing to prevent people

1673
01:06:14,789 --> 01:06:13,440
from you know even considering this it's

1674
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:14,799
just going to come down to the

1675
01:06:19,029 --> 01:06:16,240
perspectives

1676
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:19,039
of the that these people have i agree

1677
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:21,680
yeah and i think another big thing is we

1678
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:23,839
spend so much time trying to legitimize

1679
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:26,240
the topic with credible cases like what

1680
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:28,319
to the stars is doing bringing military

1681
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:31,280
footage to the public of like very

1682
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:32,640
highly advanced

1683
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:35,520
aircraft that pilots are witnessing you

1684
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:37,359
know some of the most credible witnesses

1685
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:39,119
we could possibly have

1686
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:40,799
and yeah that's what's getting out to

1687
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:43,200
the mainstream right now and making it

1688
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:45,280
more acceptable but it's a double-edged

1689
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:46,880
sword because you and i both know that

1690
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:49,680
what for every military witness there is

1691
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:52,559
there's also a civilian witness seeing

1692
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:55,359
super back [\h__\h] crazy stuff

1693
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:57,520
and we can't we can't ignore that you

1694
01:07:01,510 --> 01:06:59,359
know we can't play it down because we're

1695
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:01,520
doing a disservice but to both the

1696
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:03,680
witness their testimony and to the

1697
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:05,839
phenomenon you know again we're not

1698
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:08,000
dealing with just [\h__\h] metal

1699
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:10,559
saucers zipping through the air we're

1700
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:12,160
dealing with every type of phenomena you

1701
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:14,240
can possibly think of possibly

1702
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:16,400
interconnected with other things that

1703
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:18,240
are happening to people

1704
01:07:21,990 --> 01:07:19,200
so

1705
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:22,000
i i do wonder you know as the topic

1706
01:07:27,029 --> 01:07:24,400
becomes more mainstream and possibly

1707
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:27,039
acceptable what about all the really

1708
01:07:32,470 --> 01:07:30,079
really weird stuff that's going on

1709
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:32,480
is that going to sort of teeter off and

1710
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:34,160
we're only going to look at these

1711
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:36,400
reports that are being given to us

1712
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:37,280
through

1713
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:40,720
ready rob drip drip disclosure

1714
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:42,400
i don't know

1715
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:44,400
i really don't know

1716
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:46,000
yeah it's a

1717
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:48,400
it's tough to really say because like

1718
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:51,440
when it when i do look at these like

1719
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:54,319
the the cases that are

1720
01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:56,960
you know the the the ones that

1721
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:01,440
people cite from 2000 to 2018

1722
01:08:09,029 --> 01:08:05,119
i just they are very tame yeah even for

1723
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:09,039
even for commander david fravor's story

1724
01:08:13,029 --> 01:08:11,200
because like the video that's been

1725
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:13,039
provided is not

1726
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:14,880
it's not a video from his plane it's a

1727
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:16,480
video from another plane that went out

1728
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:18,400
later that day so

1729
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:20,080
for me

1730
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:23,600
it's just it's so tame right now that it

1731
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:25,199
that it just doesn't seem like there

1732
01:08:29,189 --> 01:08:27,440
would be a lot of barriers

1733
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:29,199
to to

1734
01:08:34,870 --> 01:08:31,920
being open to this i it's just

1735
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:34,880
it's changed so much just in

1736
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:36,960
the people that have investigated it the

1737
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:39,600
people have who have reported it to the

1738
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:43,040
public so in all honesty maybe it's the

1739
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,839
the fact that it's not it that we're

1740
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:48,000
trying to make it a public thing again

1741
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:50,319
at least two the star seems to you know

1742
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:52,239
be trying to make this a public thing

1743
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:53,040
although

1744
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:54,560
i don't think we can

1745
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:57,040
do what tom delonge thinks you can and

1746
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:58,719
just strong-arm the government into

1747
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:01,279
releasing all of this information that's

1748
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:04,159
not how it works and like you could go

1749
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:06,159
to jail for that if you just you know

1750
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:08,480
release the information without without

1751
01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:10,640
getting you know without getting it

1752
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:12,640
declassified so

1753
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:15,679
it's really tough i [\h__\h]

1754
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:18,640
yeah i i don't really know you know like

1755
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:20,400
like beyond that it's just

1756
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:22,640
we don't have those like killer cases

1757
01:09:27,910 --> 01:09:25,199
like we used to i know and maybe and

1758
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:27,920
maybe it's just because we don't have

1759
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:30,080
the investigators out in the field doing

1760
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:31,520
this as much

1761
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:34,480
yeah that could be it yeah yeah yeah i

1762
01:09:38,149 --> 01:09:36,239
agree with you yeah it seems to have

1763
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:38,159
teetered off like sheryl costa's

1764
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:41,040
analysis would tell us but yeah we don't

1765
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:43,040
have roswells we don't have rental shums

1766
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:44,960
we don't have those anymore but who

1767
01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:47,279
knows maybe maybe we'll get one or maybe

1768
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:49,520
maybe maybe this is it

1769
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:52,319
maybe we have to accept the sobering and

1770
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:54,080
depressing fact that

1771
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:56,719
ufo phenomenon might might be coming to

1772
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:59,120
an end uh i know

1773
01:10:01,669 --> 01:10:00,400
millions of people who would disagree

1774
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:01,679
with me and say it's still happening

1775
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:04,159
every day and maybe it is maybe it is i

1776
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:06,400
don't know all right here's another one

1777
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:09,040
for you my man um considering your first

1778
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:10,800
time on my show we talked all about the

1779
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:14,000
men in black uh this question comes from

1780
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:17,920
val she asks why is it that mibs

1781
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:20,239
assuming they're connected are so often

1782
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:23,199
out of date but only in a past but never

1783
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:25,520
future manner such as their clothes

1784
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:27,760
their speech their mannerisms do they

1785
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:29,280
actually not know

1786
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:32,080
when they're coming from here or are

1787
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:33,760
they making a point that they're not

1788
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:36,719
from our time or possibly outside of it

1789
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:39,120
that's a loaded question but really i i

1790
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:41,920
get what she's saying you know like they

1791
01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:44,480
you talked even about like how weird and

1792
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:47,199
strange the men in black seem to be and

1793
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:49,520
disconnected from the present time

1794
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:52,560
they're in and even like simple human

1795
01:10:58,149 --> 01:10:55,760
mannerisms at times so yeah what do you

1796
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:58,159
make of all that either they're the best

1797
01:11:02,070 --> 01:11:01,120
actors that we have on this planet and

1798
01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:02,080
they

1799
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:04,159
just act in these really

1800
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:06,960
odd ways and and and we also have to

1801
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:09,760
take into consideration here too is that

1802
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:11,840
the men in black phenomenon as it is is

1803
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:14,159
such a varying phenomenon sometimes it's

1804
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:15,920
somebody who acts definitely like a

1805
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:18,000
government agent is just saying hey shut

1806
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,239
the hell up or we'll take care of you as

1807
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:22,400
opposed to like the

1808
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:25,840
the herbert hopkins type encounters or

1809
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:28,320
the shane sovar type encounters that

1810
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:29,600
appear to be

1811
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,640
maybe you know beings from some other

1812
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:34,800
time or place or

1813
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:37,600
planet or whatever it's such a varying

1814
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:41,920
topic in terms of why they dress and

1815
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:43,840
what the vehicles they drive and all

1816
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:46,800
that stuff it could be just a yeah it

1817
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:48,640
could be that disconnect between hey

1818
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:51,679
we're we're not from around here and uh

1819
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,760
we we we kind of want to you know give

1820
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:55,679
you a clue as to that because i mean

1821
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:57,760
like there are even cases

1822
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:01,440
reported of abduction cases where

1823
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:04,400
people see aliens wearing very strange

1824
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:06,400
and out of place outfits

1825
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:09,360
like uh whitley strieber's their

1826
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:11,280
his last encounter in the bedroom when

1827
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,640
he asked for a quote-unquote

1828
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:14,880
confirmation there was an alien wearing

1829
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:16,880
a double-breasted suit so

1830
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:19,199
nice

1831
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:22,320
and i mean um that fancy [\h__\h]

1832
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:23,840
yeah right and

1833
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:26,960
there's uh um uh because when i had rich

1834
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:29,920
had him on to talk about abductions he

1835
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:31,920
pointed out this one

1836
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:34,960
letter that uh whitley and ann got in

1837
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,120
the communion letters where this

1838
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:39,120
i believe it was a woman but it was it

1839
01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:40,960
was hard to tell because the

1840
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:42,560
you couldn't totally make out gender in

1841
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:44,239
every letter but

1842
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:45,679
this one woman

1843
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:46,960
claimed

1844
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:50,800
to see uh on board this craft an alien

1845
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:53,840
wearing a world war one style helmet

1846
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:56,560
with a green trench coat

1847
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:01,750
you have that kind of weird stuff uh you

1848
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:03,679
know all over the place as to its

1849
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:06,159
significance it's tough to say you you

1850
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,400
could speculate all day long that it's

1851
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:10,080
it may be just

1852
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:13,120
the they have uh out-of-date fashion

1853
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:15,360
styles i don't know they could they

1854
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:18,159
could uh they could just be you know

1855
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:20,640
trying to get that signal across that

1856
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:23,440
we're not from around here and and

1857
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:25,520
we don't we just kind of want to tip you

1858
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:28,000
off about that or or whatever it's such

1859
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:28,719
a

1860
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:47,280
comic book series where i think it's the

1861
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,560
the military uh playing pranks on people

1862
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,560
you know i love that the entire men in

1863
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:54,719
black phenomenon is just a prank that

1864
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:57,520
they play to uh entertain themselves so

1865
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:59,120
maybe they're maybe it's something like

1866
01:14:03,189 --> 01:14:01,199
that too i don't know yeah yeah you

1867
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:03,199
never know

1868
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:05,760
all right so our next question comes

1869
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:08,719
from scott and he wants our takes on the

1870
01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:13,199
aztec case of 1948 so are you familiar

1871
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:14,560
with this one at all

1872
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:17,199
yeah i'm uh i'm a bit familiar with it

1873
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:17,920
um

1874
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:20,560
probably not as much as i should be but

1875
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:22,400
i've got some thoughts on it what do you

1876
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:23,360
think

1877
01:14:30,390 --> 01:14:24,080
the

1878
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:30,400
highly publicized crash cases so

1879
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:33,040
i mean we could quote uh a couple of

1880
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:35,520
them off the off the cuff here um

1881
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:37,440
kecksberg we

1882
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:38,400
you know

1883
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:42,239
that happened in real time uh we've got

1884
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:44,080
roswell which took

1885
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:45,840
if you think about it

1886
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:49,280
over 40 years to actually and maybe even

1887
01:14:52,310 --> 01:14:50,480
longer than that i think it was like

1888
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:52,320
more towards the 50th anniversary that

1889
01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:54,719
it really kind of just blew up but yeah

1890
01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:57,280
i remember being a kid and like

1891
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:59,280
it was the fact that

1892
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:01,440
it ended up on unsolved mysteries that

1893
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:03,120
people just started taking an interest

1894
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:05,679
in this case i mean stanton friedman was

1895
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:08,400
there in 78 when somebody just you know

1896
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:10,239
happened to mention oh you should go

1897
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:12,000
talk to jesse marcel

1898
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:15,040
okay great but it took forever for that

1899
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:18,080
case to come about and um even um the

1900
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:20,960
cape gerardo crash i mean dean aliotto

1901
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:23,120
was talking about that on your show and

1902
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:25,760
and how he's looking into that case and

1903
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:28,239
there's a woman named linda wallace

1904
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:30,640
who's been looking into that case for uh

1905
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:33,120
years interviewing alleged eyewitnesses

1906
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:34,400
to it and

1907
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:36,320
uh she actually put out a great book

1908
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:39,120
called covert retrieval a few years ago

1909
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:40,400
uh so

1910
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:41,920
if you're interested in the cape gerard

1911
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:44,640
oh crash which happened in in 41 you

1912
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:46,800
know six years before roswell

1913
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:49,679
yeah yeah yeah go check out that book

1914
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:51,840
it's a it's really great book uh with

1915
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:53,040
aztec

1916
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:55,760
it's it was ruled a hoax and now

1917
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:58,320
it's not a hoax and it's it's kind of

1918
01:16:02,870 --> 01:15:59,760
confusing but

1919
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:02,880
to begin with it it started with frank

1920
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:05,679
scully and his book uh was it behind the

1921
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:09,679
flying saucer yes yep and he reported i

1922
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:11,840
i think a number of crashes in there but

1923
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:14,159
one of them was the aztec new mexico

1924
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:16,880
crash and then it turned out that uh

1925
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:19,280
there were two individuals uh silas

1926
01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:21,679
newton and uh leoga bauer they it was

1927
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:24,400
claimed that they made up this story and

1928
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:26,239
in order to sell

1929
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:31,830
they were known con men at this point

1930
01:16:36,790 --> 01:16:34,480
they were they were but you know that's

1931
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:36,800
where scully said he got his story from

1932
01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:39,920
and you know a few years ago um scott

1933
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:42,480
and suzanne ramsey uh

1934
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:45,520
put out this book you know the aztec ufo

1935
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:47,600
incident i believe it is and

1936
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:48,480
you know

1937
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:50,880
they talk to numerous eyewitnesses i'm

1938
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:53,199
kind of on the fence about it you know

1939
01:16:56,630 --> 01:16:55,199
it's it's interesting but like how do we

1940
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:56,640
go from hoax to

1941
01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:58,800
legitimate here yeah

1942
01:17:02,709 --> 01:17:00,880
it usually goes the other way

1943
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:02,719
yeah yeah

1944
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:05,120
i'm i'm with you man i don't know what

1945
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:08,000
to make of it and it's what's even more

1946
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:09,520
interesting is that it happened in new

1947
01:17:14,470 --> 01:17:11,360
mexico only

1948
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:14,480
less than a year after roswell so a lot

1949
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:16,480
of people just believe this was they

1950
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:18,320
were trying to

1951
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:21,280
bank off of roswell and be like oh

1952
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:23,600
we had a crash too you know

1953
01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:27,440
um so i i don't know again it was proven

1954
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:29,760
a hoax almost from the start i don't

1955
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:30,480
know

1956
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:32,400
i i will be honest i have not read the

1957
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:34,159
book by the ramsey so i cannot

1958
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:36,960
definitively say if it's a hoax or not

1959
01:17:40,470 --> 01:17:38,560
clearly but

1960
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:40,480
there are those out there who who do

1961
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:43,920
believe it stan freedman is open to the

1962
01:17:48,149 --> 01:17:45,840
possibility that it could have happened

1963
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:48,159
but um yeah i don't put much stock in

1964
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:50,320
the aztec case to be honest i think we

1965
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:52,480
have much better cases with

1966
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:56,400
documentation and way more evidence

1967
01:18:01,830 --> 01:17:58,880
that something actually happened yeah i

1968
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:01,840
mean even the the uh cave gerardo crash

1969
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:03,840
there's allegedly a photograph of these

1970
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:05,520
people holding up an alien whether that

1971
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:08,320
exists truly exists i don't know and

1972
01:18:09,910 --> 01:18:09,120
like

1973
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:09,920
here's

1974
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:12,400
to to kind of put this into perspective

1975
01:18:16,709 --> 01:18:14,880
okay if we're if we're talking about

1976
01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:16,719
aztec right now

1977
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:19,199
it was rule the hoax that that kind of

1978
01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:22,159
you know puts a big you know x in it for

1979
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:24,800
me as opposed to cape girardeau which

1980
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:26,880
initially came forward from a third-hand

1981
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:28,719
source not even the second-hand source a

1982
01:18:33,270 --> 01:18:30,239
third-hand source you know it came

1983
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:33,280
forward from charlotte mann who was i

1984
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:36,560
believe the granddaughter of reverend

1985
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:38,400
william huffman who

1986
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:40,960
you know huffman told his story to his

1987
01:18:46,070 --> 01:18:43,600
wife and then his wife on her deathbed

1988
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:46,080
told it to charlotte man so in

1989
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:48,159
any case i believe that one a little bit

1990
01:18:53,430 --> 01:18:50,239
more than i do aztec and and we're

1991
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:53,440
talking about your hand testimony yeah

1992
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:54,960
yeah

1993
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:56,640
that that's a really good point though

1994
01:19:00,709 --> 01:18:58,800
man yeah yeah that's a good one i

1995
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:00,719
suggest people check that out the cape

1996
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:03,360
gerardo case in missouri right

1997
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:05,920
yeah yeah that's another really good one

1998
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:08,560
shag harbor as well which will be coming

1999
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:10,800
up the anniversary in october that's a

2000
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:13,440
it's a good one out of nova scotia all

2001
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:16,159
right here we go i've been waiting for

2002
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:19,840
this one this one comes from a listener

2003
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:21,840
chris he would like to know what the

2004
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:24,960
both of us think about the billy meyer

2005
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:26,080
case

2006
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:28,560
yes i really hope michael horn is

2007
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:29,920
listening to this

2008
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:32,080
i'm gonna have to tag him in the episode

2009
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:34,560
i've read that it's all been a big hoax

2010
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:36,640
chris says yet it spawned this hippy

2011
01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:39,199
dippy starseed astro healing movement

2012
01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:42,800
that just seems so damn delusional to me

2013
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:45,920
that's a really good descriptor kudos on

2014
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:48,480
that chris yeah so i've definitely got

2015
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:51,360
an answer for this one but rob what what

2016
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:53,520
do you make of the entire billy meyer

2017
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:57,040
affair the one armed swedish farmer i'll

2018
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:58,080
try to

2019
01:20:02,709 --> 01:20:00,719
keep it simple i think he's a 100

2020
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:02,719
[\h__\h] but

2021
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:07,199
for me the thing about billy meyer is

2022
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:09,520
they his photos are hoaxed

2023
01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:11,520
100 they've proven that

2024
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:13,679
that they found the model i mean it's

2025
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:16,560
it's like ed walters except like mufon

2026
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:19,920
determined that the model was not his or

2027
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:23,040
whatever bill for billy meyer it was and

2028
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:25,360
i think what we also have to take into

2029
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:26,880
consideration like

2030
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:30,239
despite being this this uh hippy dippy

2031
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:32,960
kind of dude he has some very racist

2032
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:35,520
leanings and if you go and you read some

2033
01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:38,400
of his stuff it is definitely

2034
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:40,400
racist so

2035
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:43,360
definitely don't put stock into him and

2036
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:46,400
and i'm gonna kind of go on a a a little

2037
01:20:50,630 --> 01:20:49,199
maybe a little tirade here and like

2038
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:50,640
that's what tonight's for man take a

2039
01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:51,600
drink

2040
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:53,920
well you know this is gonna this is

2041
01:20:59,830 --> 01:20:56,400
gonna alienate a certain sect of people

2042
01:21:01,910 --> 01:20:59,840
and uh this is gonna and alienate uh

2043
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:01,920
x-files watchers um

2044
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:04,320
oh my goodness i'm gonna hang up on you

2045
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:05,920
no no no no no

2046
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:06,719
no

2047
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:07,840
okay so

2048
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:08,640
so

2049
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:10,400
i don't think a lot of people realize

2050
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:12,719
that the poster on the wall that says i

2051
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:14,880
want to believe that's a billy meyer

2052
01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:17,199
photo on that it is it's in my living

2053
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:19,040
room right now framed

2054
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:21,920
yeah and like take into consideration

2055
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:25,040
like the words i want to believe and the

2056
01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:27,280
fact that the photo is it's pulling the

2057
01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:30,239
rug out from underneath your eyes do you

2058
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:33,040
think chris carter meant to do that

2059
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:35,360
maybe i you know or he was like oh

2060
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:36,719
that's a really good

2061
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:38,880
photo it's very clear let's use that i

2062
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:40,080
don't know

2063
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:43,360
i mean it depends on how much you know

2064
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:45,520
how into the phenomenon you think chris

2065
01:21:49,590 --> 01:21:47,120
carter was and like

2066
01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:49,600
i don't think he was into it as much as

2067
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:52,719
like you know people may make out to be

2068
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:55,199
but it's like one of those things where

2069
01:22:00,070 --> 01:21:58,239
like that show promoted that phrase i

2070
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:00,080
want to believe

2071
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:03,280
and i believe i believe that phrase has

2072
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:06,480
been damaging at least it turned to

2073
01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:09,280
like the public perception of of ufos

2074
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:11,679
belief has nothing at all to do with

2075
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:14,159
this phenomenon belief does not confirm

2076
01:22:18,149 --> 01:22:17,120
or deny the existence of anything

2077
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:18,159
so

2078
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:21,360
if you're going around saying uh i want

2079
01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:22,560
to believe get that out of your

2080
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:24,239
vocabulary

2081
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:25,679
i'm just going to say it now get it out

2082
01:22:28,629 --> 01:22:27,120
of your vocabulary if you want to take

2083
01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:28,639
this seriously

2084
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:31,440
and the other phrase that

2085
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:34,480
i rail against from the x-files that has

2086
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:37,199
embedded itself into popular culture the

2087
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:40,800
truth is out there i don't think for one

2088
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:43,040
second like when anybody says we're

2089
01:22:48,149 --> 01:22:45,600
looking for the truth that may be true

2090
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:48,159
but you need clues before you even get

2091
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:50,000
to the truth i don't even think we have

2092
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:52,960
a damn clue at this point but

2093
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:55,679
don't jump the shark to say hey we're

2094
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:57,600
looking for the truth now get a clue

2095
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:00,719
first and then we'll look for the truth

2096
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:03,120
welcome to x-files bashing hour with rob

2097
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:05,040
christopherson

2098
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:07,679
don't get me wrong i i do love the

2099
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:09,760
x-files when i whenever i want to get

2100
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:12,719
romantic about ufos i go watch the

2101
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:14,960
x-files of course man yeah of course

2102
01:23:18,250 --> 01:23:16,960
you're a shooter

2103
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:18,260
yeah

2104
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:20,159
[Laughter]

2105
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:22,880
whenever i need to reconnect with life i

2106
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:24,719
throw on jose chungs from outer space

2107
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:27,600
because i believe it's the best episode

2108
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:29,600
of television ever produced it's that

2109
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:31,600
great to me so

2110
01:23:36,790 --> 01:23:34,800
i don't hate the x-files i hate what the

2111
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:36,800
x-files has embedded into popular

2112
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:39,040
culture let me just put it that way and

2113
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:41,600
and if we're being uh

2114
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:44,239
if we're gonna cite anything here i do

2115
01:23:48,070 --> 01:23:46,239
believe it was richard doty that said he

2116
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:48,080
worked on the x-files and that he even

2117
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:49,760
wrote a couple episodes of the x-files

2118
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:52,880
so if that's any indication there right

2119
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:54,880
our favorite disinformation agent for

2120
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:56,800
sure yeah

2121
01:24:01,350 --> 01:23:58,400
he very well could be listening to this

2122
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:01,360
i i like dodie i i'm he's grown on me a

2123
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:04,320
lot and he supports my work and uh i'm

2124
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:05,600
gonna have to get him on the show at

2125
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:07,120
some point but

2126
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:08,960
you know before we leave

2127
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:10,960
both billy meyer and the x-files i

2128
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:13,120
always found it very ironic that the

2129
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:15,280
truth is out there was their slogan and

2130
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:18,000
then their other slogan was trust no one

2131
01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:22,790
it's really through me i'm like hmm

2132
01:24:26,709 --> 01:24:25,280
which do i which do i go with here um

2133
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:26,719
but that just got to the point of the

2134
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:29,040
show so so all right going back to the

2135
01:24:35,189 --> 01:24:31,440
billy meyer case it is so wrong with

2136
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:35,199
contention that it makes my heart burn i

2137
01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:37,360
get so much indigestion just when i hear

2138
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:39,280
this you know he's claimed contact

2139
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:41,280
experiences with humanoid being since

2140
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:44,080
the age of five he claims to be a

2141
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:47,199
prophet he started a religious movement

2142
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:49,679
he's apparently super racist which i

2143
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:51,920
didn't know about and he has produced

2144
01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:53,760
many photos and videos like you said

2145
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:57,520
that have been proven to be hoaxed this

2146
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:58,480
dude

2147
01:25:03,510 --> 01:25:01,199
michael horn appears out of nowhere and

2148
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:03,520
becomes the official spokesperson for

2149
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:07,199
billy meyer and all right man this is

2150
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:09,520
i i kind of made this connection not too

2151
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:11,440
long ago and i know i'm not the first to

2152
01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:13,199
make it so i don't pretend to be all

2153
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:15,920
smart about it but this is scientology

2154
01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:18,080
all over again if you think oh yeah the

2155
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:20,560
billy meyer followers it is a cult i

2156
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:22,960
will say that and i'm sorry to anyone

2157
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:25,440
who listens to this show that believes

2158
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:27,840
in this case this is a cult

2159
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:30,960
meyer is l ron hubbard and his religion

2160
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:33,440
was hijacked by horn who is david

2161
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:36,000
miscavige if you think about it you know

2162
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:39,600
he's made it into a money making venture

2163
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:42,719
he is taking the belief system of people

2164
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:44,639
and he is exploiting it to the nth

2165
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:47,520
degree that's it you know going so far

2166
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:50,960
as to have absolutely no

2167
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:52,400
reliability

2168
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:54,480
in claiming that any photo or video that

2169
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:57,120
billy meyer has is real you know

2170
01:26:02,229 --> 01:25:59,520
everyone under the sun every photo

2171
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:02,239
analysis every video person has said

2172
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:05,520
these are hoaxes these are models and

2173
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:08,639
horn cannot argue that he really can and

2174
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:10,320
it sucks and the minute that a

2175
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:12,719
researcher argues it you get

2176
01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:14,960
gang-stopped you get you get attacked

2177
01:26:18,070 --> 01:26:16,080
online

2178
01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:18,080
you know they they say that you were

2179
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:19,360
part of the problem we're the

2180
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:21,520
disinformation people why can't we just

2181
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:24,000
accept this man's story and i'll tell

2182
01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:26,800
you why because it's all fake yeah billy

2183
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:29,679
meyer's wife came forward and said oh

2184
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:32,159
yeah the models were all over the place

2185
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:34,159
you know these are not real so

2186
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:37,360
aesthetically pleasing yes great for an

2187
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:40,320
x-files poster yeah definitely have i

2188
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:42,400
used them as my cover photo on facebook

2189
01:26:44,229 --> 01:26:43,360
yup

2190
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:44,239
but

2191
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:45,760
at the end of the day i don't believe a

2192
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:47,360
god damn word that comes out of billy

2193
01:26:50,310 --> 01:26:49,040
meyer's mouth or michael horn's mouth

2194
01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:50,320
and i'm gonna leave it at that when it

2195
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:51,920
goes to this one

2196
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:53,600
yeah that's it's a good place to leave

2197
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:54,719
it and

2198
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:56,719
you know what don't anybody pick it up

2199
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:59,280
just don't pick it up don't don't lick

2200
01:27:02,790 --> 01:27:00,880
ufos either

2201
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:02,800
no don't do it you you know what you're

2202
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:04,400
gonna have a worse time

2203
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:07,040
than anybody from randall shimour cash

2204
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:08,480
land room you're going to you're going

2205
01:27:12,629 --> 01:27:11,199
to burn your tongue off okay

2206
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:12,639
bye tongue

2207
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:13,440
well

2208
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:16,080
he also brings up while

2209
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:18,800
billy meyer is silly and delusional and

2210
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,880
the case is ridiculous he brings up that

2211
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:22,400
a lot of people believe this other

2212
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:24,239
ridiculous case and this is when you've

2213
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:26,960
covered the joe simonton case

2214
01:27:31,510 --> 01:27:28,800
pancake aliens

2215
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:31,520
oh man like you know i don't i don't

2216
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:34,080
like to pre-judge people but if if

2217
01:27:41,830 --> 01:27:36,800
if some italians gave me some some

2218
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:41,840
pancakes you know i that that case is so

2219
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:44,159
crazy and i mean like

2220
01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:46,000
it occurred the same year that betty of

2221
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:48,800
barney hills abduction did for all of

2222
01:27:52,790 --> 01:27:50,159
you know and

2223
01:27:53,830 --> 01:27:52,800
here's the thing 62 year old chicken

2224
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:53,840
farmer

2225
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:56,320
sitting down to brunch at 11 o'clock in

2226
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:58,400
the morning here's this sound

2227
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:00,719
and he goes outside and he sees this

2228
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:04,000
you this uh it would probably be like a

2229
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:07,120
sauce or two he's he described the ufo

2230
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:10,080
as two saucers uh connected by a

2231
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:12,639
depression ring that had like these six

2232
01:28:17,189 --> 01:28:14,560
inch diameter pipes that were going all

2233
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:17,199
around it and this hatch opens and he

2234
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:18,159
sees

2235
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:20,400
what he describes as three

2236
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:22,960
five foot italian looking aliens with

2237
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:25,360
mesmerizing eyes wearing onesies and

2238
01:28:28,709 --> 01:28:26,800
they want water

2239
01:28:30,629 --> 01:28:28,719
so i trade some water for some what he

2240
01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:30,639
calls pancakes even though i would call

2241
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:32,639
them cookies and he gave me a salute for

2242
01:28:36,229 --> 01:28:34,320
the back of his hand the gesture of

2243
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:36,239
thanks i presume

2244
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:38,480
and then uh well i gave you my salute

2245
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:40,000
what am i gonna do

2246
01:28:44,629 --> 01:28:42,480
i noticed this little man the same size

2247
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:44,639
of a man right beside the right side of

2248
01:28:49,990 --> 01:28:47,040
the hatchway cooking uh cooking these

2249
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:50,000
pancakes which i have one here yet he

2250
01:28:55,189 --> 01:28:53,679
was he was frying these these pancakes

2251
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:55,199
and uh

2252
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:57,600
i pointed to him and made a gesture like

2253
01:29:01,350 --> 01:28:59,520
eating i thought maybe i get a

2254
01:29:03,430 --> 01:29:01,360
conversation out of him nobody was

2255
01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:03,440
saying anything

2256
01:29:07,189 --> 01:29:05,520
but he uh

2257
01:29:09,430 --> 01:29:07,199
he didn't say a word he just reached

2258
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:09,440
over and he got a handful before him

2259
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:10,800
them down to me

2260
01:29:14,709 --> 01:29:13,040
and they were hot and greasy and with

2261
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:14,719
that he reached up and he closed his

2262
01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:15,840
hats

2263
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:18,320
with a heavy stud click-like when it

2264
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:19,520
latched

2265
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:21,840
and uh with that the thing started to

2266
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:23,760
raise it's like it came down everything

2267
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:25,920
was time perfect it went up about 20

2268
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:29,040
feet it tilted 45 degree

2269
01:29:34,550 --> 01:29:31,840
straight south and shot off and within

2270
01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:34,560
two or three seconds it was out of sight

2271
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:36,480
well there i stood in the driveway with

2272
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:39,040
a handful of greasy pancakes my mouth

2273
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:41,520
open wondering what the heck i saw what

2274
01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:43,679
had happened but you know what you were

2275
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:45,920
about to sit down to brunch i understand

2276
01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:47,520
why you call them pancakes yeah yeah

2277
01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:49,280
they tell you how they taste they taste

2278
01:29:53,830 --> 01:29:51,920
like cardboard okay cool here's the

2279
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:53,840
thing about that case that case is

2280
01:29:57,590 --> 01:29:55,600
charming as hell as opposed to billy

2281
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:57,600
meyer who is not charming in the

2282
01:30:02,070 --> 01:30:00,159
slightest joe simonton i would listen to

2283
01:30:05,110 --> 01:30:02,080
that man if he was still alive today

2284
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:05,120
tell me all about his alien pancakes i i

2285
01:30:08,790 --> 01:30:06,960
don't like to put a lot of stock into

2286
01:30:11,350 --> 01:30:08,800
into belief but listening to joe

2287
01:30:13,350 --> 01:30:11,360
simonton i believe that he did get some

2288
01:30:15,430 --> 01:30:13,360
pancakes from some italian looking

2289
01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:15,440
aliens who had mesmerizing eyes and they

2290
01:30:18,709 --> 01:30:17,280
just wanted some water i'm going with it

2291
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:18,719
i don't care and

2292
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:20,400
one of the coolest things

2293
01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:22,320
that's coming out this year

2294
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:24,080
i believe it's still coming out this

2295
01:30:27,189 --> 01:30:25,360
year i had

2296
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:27,199
john tenney on my podcast he has written

2297
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:30,239
a children's book about this case

2298
01:30:36,070 --> 01:30:32,639
yeah that is coming out later this year

2299
01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:36,080
and it's all about joe simonton and uh

2300
01:30:42,149 --> 01:30:39,360
he even has a recipe in there for these

2301
01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:42,159
uh space pancakes

2302
01:30:46,550 --> 01:30:43,520
and he has

2303
01:30:49,030 --> 01:30:46,560
instructions for children to submit uh

2304
01:30:51,270 --> 01:30:49,040
foia requests

2305
01:30:52,470 --> 01:30:51,280
oh my god

2306
01:30:55,430 --> 01:30:52,480
yeah

2307
01:30:57,990 --> 01:30:55,440
if anything if anything this this case

2308
01:31:00,229 --> 01:30:58,000
got more charming just based on that so

2309
01:31:02,870 --> 01:31:00,239
i will believe joe simonton all day long

2310
01:31:04,070 --> 01:31:02,880
i love it i love it man and you and i

2311
01:31:06,310 --> 01:31:04,080
are going to make a trip to wright

2312
01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:06,320
patterson and we're going to bring are

2313
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:08,080
you an ancient mama guy or a mrs

2314
01:31:11,990 --> 01:31:10,560
butterworth um i could go either way i

2315
01:31:13,590 --> 01:31:12,000
really could okay

2316
01:31:16,070 --> 01:31:13,600
all right we'll bring both just to be

2317
01:31:18,950 --> 01:31:16,080
safe

2318
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:18,960
all right moving on from alien pancakes

2319
01:31:23,990 --> 01:31:21,120
to the paranormal

2320
01:31:26,149 --> 01:31:24,000
jamie asks what are our thoughts on how

2321
01:31:28,629 --> 01:31:26,159
the paranormal and the ufo phenomenon

2322
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:28,639
might be related this is a really tough

2323
01:31:32,550 --> 01:31:30,400
one we could talk in the whole episode

2324
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:32,560
about this one well and that's the thing

2325
01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:36,080
is like when you look at the cases where

2326
01:31:40,470 --> 01:31:38,400
paranormal activity

2327
01:31:42,149 --> 01:31:40,480
was associated with

2328
01:31:44,390 --> 01:31:42,159
ufos

2329
01:31:45,910 --> 01:31:44,400
you know you go to the mothman sightings

2330
01:31:47,990 --> 01:31:45,920
and there was a ton of that happening

2331
01:31:50,390 --> 01:31:48,000
where people were seeing ufos they were

2332
01:31:52,229 --> 01:31:50,400
getting these really weird phone calls

2333
01:31:54,470 --> 01:31:52,239
and then all of a sudden they had

2334
01:31:56,149 --> 01:31:54,480
poltergeist-like activity in their house

2335
01:31:57,830 --> 01:31:56,159
you have skinwalker ranch where there

2336
01:31:59,830 --> 01:31:57,840
was poltergeist activity happening

2337
01:32:01,030 --> 01:31:59,840
inside the house while there were ufos

2338
01:32:04,550 --> 01:32:01,040
seen

2339
01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:04,560
there was inter-dimensional uh bigfoots

2340
01:32:11,750 --> 01:32:05,440
and

2341
01:32:13,430 --> 01:32:11,760
documentary by jeremy corbell that comes

2342
01:32:14,629 --> 01:32:13,440
out in september it's going to be dope

2343
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:14,639
there's

2344
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:16,880
i don't know if it's just that it draws

2345
01:32:20,709 --> 01:32:17,840
in

2346
01:32:22,229 --> 01:32:20,719
that type of activity or if it's an

2347
01:32:23,350 --> 01:32:22,239
extension of that activity because if

2348
01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:23,360
you look

2349
01:32:28,270 --> 01:32:26,560
at uh for instance um uh case that i'm

2350
01:32:31,510 --> 01:32:28,280
gonna be covering is the

2351
01:32:34,629 --> 01:32:31,520
1973 case from pennsylvania where

2352
01:32:38,310 --> 01:32:34,639
this farmer and two kids walk up walk up

2353
01:32:41,910 --> 01:32:38,320
upon two bigfoot approaching a ufo okay

2354
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:41,920
yeah and apparently there are numerous

2355
01:32:47,910 --> 01:32:44,560
cases like that in pennsylvania

2356
01:32:49,510 --> 01:32:47,920
seth breedlove did uh the uh invasion on

2357
01:32:51,350 --> 01:32:49,520
chestnut ridge which

2358
01:32:53,189 --> 01:32:51,360
yeah which is where all that stuff

2359
01:32:56,229 --> 01:32:53,199
apparently happens they have a ton of

2360
01:32:58,870 --> 01:32:56,239
cases like this even ancient aliens had

2361
01:33:00,950 --> 01:32:58,880
an episode about bigfoots and ufos so i

2362
01:33:02,149 --> 01:33:00,960
just saw that the other day they had a

2363
01:33:04,310 --> 01:33:02,159
marathon

2364
01:33:06,390 --> 01:33:04,320
and i just happened to be watching it

2365
01:33:10,709 --> 01:33:06,400
and i'm like oh god

2366
01:33:13,110 --> 01:33:10,719
here we go but again man yeah no you're

2367
01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:13,120
right i mean even some of the people in

2368
01:33:19,030 --> 01:33:16,080
my book they they claimed that after a

2369
01:33:21,350 --> 01:33:19,040
ufo event it just opened the floodgates

2370
01:33:23,910 --> 01:33:21,360
to everything you know the patty donahue

2371
01:33:26,070 --> 01:33:23,920
case with the her younger daughters that

2372
01:33:29,030 --> 01:33:26,080
had experiences with her in their home

2373
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:29,040
after the ufo event and a possible

2374
01:33:33,910 --> 01:33:31,280
contact experience in the home with a

2375
01:33:35,910 --> 01:33:33,920
gray being they had poltergeist activity

2376
01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:35,920
they had really high strangeness things

2377
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:38,000
going on to the point where they had to

2378
01:33:43,110 --> 01:33:40,320
have a a person an electrician come to

2379
01:33:45,750 --> 01:33:43,120
the home because so much weird

2380
01:33:49,350 --> 01:33:45,760
activity was going on and the guy

2381
01:33:51,590 --> 01:33:49,360
experienced it while he was there and he

2382
01:33:54,149 --> 01:33:51,600
told paddy i am never coming back here

2383
01:33:56,629 --> 01:33:54,159
again i will send another tech good luck

2384
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:56,639
and goodbye so

2385
01:33:59,750 --> 01:33:57,600
yes

2386
01:34:02,070 --> 01:33:59,760
you know we hear all the time that after

2387
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:02,080
a ufo event there are there are so many

2388
01:34:07,030 --> 01:34:04,800
other things that happen and whether it

2389
01:34:09,990 --> 01:34:07,040
is connected or not

2390
01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:10,000
i don't know but i think once

2391
01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:12,560
your mind has been open to one thing

2392
01:34:16,870 --> 01:34:15,120
it's only going to be open to others and

2393
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:16,880
that may again

2394
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:19,199
be inextricably linked with these

2395
01:34:24,790 --> 01:34:21,760
phenomena whether paranormal ufological

2396
01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:24,800
whatever it's just gonna open up doors

2397
01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:27,760
that you might not want opened but uh

2398
01:34:32,470 --> 01:34:29,760
it's crazy so do i think they're

2399
01:34:35,189 --> 01:34:32,480
connected yes and no

2400
01:34:37,910 --> 01:34:35,199
um i think some might be some might not

2401
01:34:40,229 --> 01:34:37,920
be some might just be aliens and some

2402
01:34:43,430 --> 01:34:40,239
might be something we can't even begin

2403
01:34:47,110 --> 01:34:43,440
to fathom so and i mean like even if you

2404
01:34:49,510 --> 01:34:47,120
look at like the really odd hot spots

2405
01:34:51,910 --> 01:34:49,520
uh around the united states you've got

2406
01:34:53,830 --> 01:34:51,920
the bridgewater triangle area where all

2407
01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:53,840
that stuff is kind of taking place in

2408
01:34:59,189 --> 01:34:56,880
one area you have um i would put central

2409
01:35:01,030 --> 01:34:59,199
kentucky on that map just because you

2410
01:35:03,990 --> 01:35:01,040
know i've i've been talking to people

2411
01:35:05,590 --> 01:35:04,000
and they talk about how there is so much

2412
01:35:08,070 --> 01:35:05,600
there's a concentration of so much

2413
01:35:10,149 --> 01:35:08,080
different stuff in that area that

2414
01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:10,159
it's just so varied

2415
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:13,520
you know um what um chuck zukowski was

2416
01:35:18,310 --> 01:35:16,080
talking about uh on the 37th parallel i

2417
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:18,320
think a lot of it does occur on the 37th

2418
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:20,880
parallel you know but uh what is it

2419
01:35:26,629 --> 01:35:23,920
about these areas that makes it unique

2420
01:35:29,189 --> 01:35:26,639
to all of this phenomenon occurring at

2421
01:35:32,229 --> 01:35:29,199
the same time what was it about point

2422
01:35:34,149 --> 01:35:32,239
pleasant and the ohio valley in 66 and

2423
01:35:36,149 --> 01:35:34,159
67 that made it

2424
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:36,159
so attractive to all this type of

2425
01:35:40,550 --> 01:35:37,920
different stuff that's the kind of crap

2426
01:35:42,470 --> 01:35:40,560
that keeps me up at night man i know

2427
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:42,480
absolutely yeah i mean you could go so

2428
01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:45,280
far as you know the uh the

2429
01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:48,000
is it east city the east city ranch

2430
01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:50,400
yeah as well in washington like what is

2431
01:35:55,990 --> 01:35:52,639
with or the hazeltine lights

2432
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:56,000
in is it norway i believe yeah yeah like

2433
01:35:59,910 --> 01:35:57,679
what is it about these areas brown

2434
01:36:02,709 --> 01:35:59,920
mountain even where these weird

2435
01:36:04,629 --> 01:36:02,719
phenomena seem to to happen chestnut

2436
01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:04,639
ridge you got bigfoot you got ghosts you

2437
01:36:09,830 --> 01:36:07,679
got aliens you got everything what is it

2438
01:36:12,070 --> 01:36:09,840
what is what makes it happen there i

2439
01:36:15,110 --> 01:36:12,080
don't know are we dealing with ley lines

2440
01:36:16,950 --> 01:36:15,120
are we dealing with some sort of uh

2441
01:36:19,110 --> 01:36:16,960
some sort of natural resources that

2442
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:19,120
these things are feeding off of from the

2443
01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:21,840
planet i don't know i don't know but

2444
01:36:25,030 --> 01:36:23,360
it's fascinating

2445
01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:25,040
could it just be some something as

2446
01:36:29,430 --> 01:36:27,840
simple as water water does seem to

2447
01:36:30,790 --> 01:36:29,440
factor into it and

2448
01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:30,800
i covered

2449
01:36:33,270 --> 01:36:31,600
the

2450
01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:33,280
charlie red star

2451
01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:35,440
sightings on patreon and

2452
01:36:41,110 --> 01:36:38,719
i had amber and andrew from into the

2453
01:36:43,510 --> 01:36:41,120
portal on to talk about that and i asked

2454
01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:43,520
him because this is all in manitoba and

2455
01:36:47,669 --> 01:36:46,320
manitoba and canada is a hot spot for

2456
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:47,679
ufos

2457
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:48,639
and

2458
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:50,400
the only conclusion that i could come up

2459
01:36:54,790 --> 01:36:52,320
with is water because if you look at

2460
01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:54,800
manitoba on a map it's just a ton of

2461
01:36:58,709 --> 01:36:56,880
water everywhere so

2462
01:37:00,629 --> 01:36:58,719
maybe it could be water it's definitely

2463
01:37:02,629 --> 01:37:00,639
it definitely seems to play a part it

2464
01:37:04,310 --> 01:37:02,639
very well could be especially if you're

2465
01:37:06,629 --> 01:37:04,320
you know a non-human intelligence coming

2466
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:06,639
to a planet that is mostly water it's

2467
01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:07,920
like oh

2468
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:09,520
you're like they really must depend on

2469
01:37:13,669 --> 01:37:11,040
this stuff let's see what this is all

2470
01:37:14,629 --> 01:37:13,679
about you gotta wonder you do have to

2471
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:14,639
wonder

2472
01:37:20,229 --> 01:37:17,199
all right man well we are on our last

2473
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:20,239
question and it comes from our mutual

2474
01:37:25,750 --> 01:37:22,320
friends over at the double density

2475
01:37:27,910 --> 01:37:25,760
podcast and they want to know

2476
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:27,920
what do we believe is the biggest

2477
01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:30,400
misconception with ufology and its

2478
01:37:35,910 --> 01:37:34,400
related research i've got one sort of

2479
01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:35,920
sentence for this

2480
01:37:42,470 --> 01:37:39,600
and it is the eth hypothesis i have my

2481
01:37:43,990 --> 01:37:42,480
thoughts exactly oh i saw your thunder

2482
01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:44,000
no but it's good that we're on the same

2483
01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:47,199
page yeah as ufo researchers i mean the

2484
01:37:51,109 --> 01:37:48,960
biggest misconception

2485
01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:51,119
every day when someone when i tell them

2486
01:37:55,669 --> 01:37:53,440
i'm a ufo researcher like oh aliens i'm

2487
01:37:59,109 --> 01:37:55,679
like no yeah no no no no that's not what

2488
01:38:02,070 --> 01:37:59,119
i said i said ufos i study ufos i don't

2489
01:38:04,629 --> 01:38:02,080
study aliens that's up to biologists and

2490
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:04,639
scientists and you know

2491
01:38:10,070 --> 01:38:07,760
alien theorists i look at ufo reports

2492
01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:10,080
ufo activity the witnesses who

2493
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:11,760
experience that do i dive into

2494
01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:13,920
abductions yeah of course i do all the

2495
01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:15,679
time but i think the biggest

2496
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:17,679
misconception is that when we study

2497
01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:22,080
ufology that it is aliens only and

2498
01:38:26,709 --> 01:38:23,920
everyone does that everyone makes that

2499
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:26,719
mistake i make it myself all the time

2500
01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:29,040
all the time i i you know i put on

2501
01:38:33,030 --> 01:38:31,360
twitter i'm doing a ufo thing and i use

2502
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:33,040
the little alien emoji and every time

2503
01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:34,960
i'm like god damn it why did i do that

2504
01:38:41,109 --> 01:38:37,760
you could use the ufo emoji

2505
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:41,119
easily and you know i have a um alien

2506
01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:43,520
emoji pillow right next to me right now

2507
01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:45,440
and i'm like why do i do this to myself

2508
01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:47,600
you know i'm touting that ufos might not

2509
01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:49,920
be alien yet i've got all this alien

2510
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:52,960
[\h__\h] everywhere but um the emoji's cute

2511
01:38:56,470 --> 01:38:54,320
i like it

2512
01:38:59,430 --> 01:38:56,480
it's it's no italian pancake making

2513
01:39:01,350 --> 01:38:59,440
alien but it's cute but yeah

2514
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:01,360
so you you would agree that the eth

2515
01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:03,440
seems to be the biggest misconception oh

2516
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:05,040
yeah and i mean it's been pushed into

2517
01:39:10,709 --> 01:39:08,560
popular culture for so long now and like

2518
01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:10,719
i've i've asked i've asked around

2519
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:12,480
because um

2520
01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:14,960
to me you got to kind of understand the

2521
01:39:18,310 --> 01:39:16,320
time periods and what you're dealing

2522
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:18,320
with and and i've asked people is like

2523
01:39:24,390 --> 01:39:21,280
in the 80s was was there a lot of this

2524
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:24,400
you know alien head kind of stuff that

2525
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:26,400
was you know people were pedaling around

2526
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:27,920
and they're all like no that didn't

2527
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:30,320
start until the 90s you know the late

2528
01:39:35,990 --> 01:39:33,440
90s so you know it's become so prevalent

2529
01:39:38,950 --> 01:39:36,000
in pop culture that they are synonymous

2530
01:39:41,109 --> 01:39:38,960
that's it's aliens aliens you know ride

2531
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:41,119
around in ufos they're the ones piloting

2532
01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:42,400
the ufos

2533
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:44,880
so it's automatically that connection

2534
01:39:47,189 --> 01:39:45,600
but

2535
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:47,199
we don't know what's

2536
01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:49,440
what the ufos are we don't even know if

2537
01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:50,960
they have pilots we don't even know if

2538
01:39:54,709 --> 01:39:52,719
they're physical things

2539
01:39:57,430 --> 01:39:54,719
we don't know what we don't know and i

2540
01:39:59,830 --> 01:39:57,440
feel like i i i quoted rumsfeld and i

2541
01:40:03,189 --> 01:39:59,840
didn't want to do that

2542
01:40:06,870 --> 01:40:03,199
too late yeah but i mean like whenever

2543
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:06,880
anybody said whatever anybody um

2544
01:40:11,189 --> 01:40:09,040
and it happens sometimes ask me what is

2545
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:11,199
ufologist the only answer i can give

2546
01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:13,280
them is it's an expert in speculation

2547
01:40:17,109 --> 01:40:15,760
that is what a ufologist is that oh my

2548
01:40:18,709 --> 01:40:17,119
god i love that

2549
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:18,719
i'm gonna get that put on my business

2550
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:20,239
cards

2551
01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:26,310
oh

2552
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:28,000
yeah man it's

2553
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:30,400
again you're right it is it's become

2554
01:40:33,910 --> 01:40:31,920
such a a

2555
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:33,920
meme and popular culture and i don't

2556
01:40:38,070 --> 01:40:35,760
know if we're ever gonna shake it but it

2557
01:40:40,070 --> 01:40:38,080
really could begin with changing

2558
01:40:42,470 --> 01:40:40,080
the acronym of ufo and it really could

2559
01:40:45,189 --> 01:40:42,480
begin when we get past the fact that

2560
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:45,199
these craft or these things we're seeing

2561
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:47,440
might not be piloted by anything they

2562
01:40:51,669 --> 01:40:49,600
very well could be some sort of remote

2563
01:40:54,149 --> 01:40:51,679
controlled thing from another dimension

2564
01:40:55,910 --> 01:40:54,159
or planet or anything it could be

2565
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:55,920
anything at this point yeah and i mean

2566
01:41:01,189 --> 01:40:58,560
like even if you look at you go back to

2567
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:01,199
48 and you look at the gorman dogfight

2568
01:41:05,669 --> 01:41:03,360
that wasn't a ufo it was essentially a

2569
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:05,679
really it was like a six inch light that

2570
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:06,560
he was

2571
01:41:11,510 --> 01:41:07,440
you know

2572
01:41:16,870 --> 01:41:11,520
it's not always

2573
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:16,880
a disc shaped craft that's not always

2574
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:18,960
what it is sometimes it's just an orange

2575
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:21,840
light or sometimes you know it's a it's

2576
01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:25,199
a black triangle it's so varied that

2577
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:28,400
we we don't know anything and it's it's

2578
01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:30,320
not like you can hail them down and

2579
01:41:33,590 --> 01:41:32,000
they're gonna come and they're going to

2580
01:41:35,270 --> 01:41:33,600
get and whatever's in there is going to

2581
01:41:36,709 --> 01:41:35,280
get out and want to talk to you

2582
01:41:39,109 --> 01:41:36,719
they haven't wanted to talk to us for

2583
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:39,119
years except for some people who they

2584
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:41,760
have apparently talked to you know i i

2585
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:44,159
haven't had a conversation with ashtar

2586
01:41:49,750 --> 01:41:47,119
but you know some people have and

2587
01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:49,760
and you know i maybe i would like to

2588
01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:51,280
know how injured cold is doing these

2589
01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:53,920
days but you know i'm not the person

2590
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:55,679
that's going to be interacting with them

2591
01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:56,400
but

2592
01:41:59,590 --> 01:41:58,239
at the end of the day when you don't

2593
01:42:01,830 --> 01:41:59,600
know anything

2594
01:42:03,990 --> 01:42:01,840
you're just you're just speculating that

2595
01:42:06,070 --> 01:42:04,000
they're piloted by aliens yeah that's

2596
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:06,080
that's it so like

2597
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:09,840
when you hear ufo just think of it as

2598
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:11,440
something

2599
01:42:16,070 --> 01:42:12,480
that

2600
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:16,080
appears to be it appears to be so varied

2601
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:18,000
that we we don't know a damn thing about

2602
01:42:22,709 --> 01:42:20,400
it all we just know is that people see

2603
01:42:24,629 --> 01:42:22,719
stuff and then they tell other people

2604
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:24,639
about it and

2605
01:42:30,149 --> 01:42:27,119
they've been doing this since the 40s

2606
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:30,159
that's it yep i love it that is the most

2607
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:31,679
that is the most distinct way i think we

2608
01:42:36,629 --> 01:42:34,080
could say it man people see stuff and

2609
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:36,639
they tell people about it

2610
01:42:42,149 --> 01:42:39,600
that is ufo reporting that is the ufo

2611
01:42:44,470 --> 01:42:42,159
phenomenon in a nutshell i can't think

2612
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:44,480
of a better way to sort of sort of end

2613
01:42:49,109 --> 01:42:47,280
it there my man that was a marathon i

2614
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:49,119
can't believe we got through that i'm a

2615
01:42:54,070 --> 01:42:51,760
little drunk and for some reason i

2616
01:42:56,229 --> 01:42:54,080
really want pancakes right now but uh

2617
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:56,239
but i i mean you know if you could find

2618
01:43:00,550 --> 01:42:58,320
a denny's there might be an italian

2619
01:43:03,030 --> 01:43:00,560
looking alien that'll be able to mix you

2620
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:03,040
mix you up some they might be there i'm

2621
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:05,040
not [\h__\h] you i can see a denny's

2622
01:43:07,670 --> 01:43:06,880
from my window it's two blocks from my

2623
01:43:09,430 --> 01:43:07,680
apartment

2624
01:43:12,470 --> 01:43:09,440
[Laughter]

2625
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:12,480
perfect man perfect uh they they saw me

2626
01:43:17,910 --> 01:43:14,800
coming i'm about to drop some mad bills

2627
01:43:20,070 --> 01:43:17,920
over there but before we go my man

2628
01:43:22,310 --> 01:43:20,080
please tell us what you got coming up

2629
01:43:24,629 --> 01:43:22,320
over at the our strange skies podcast

2630
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:24,639
what we can expect and where we can find

2631
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:25,360
it

2632
01:43:29,669 --> 01:43:27,360
sure right now

2633
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:29,679
planning a bunch of mini episodes

2634
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:30,960
because

2635
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:33,520
i'm in the stages of researching roswell

2636
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:35,119
which is something that i am

2637
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:36,400
begrudgingly

2638
01:43:41,109 --> 01:43:38,480
would you do that to yourself i know i'm

2639
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:41,119
begrudgingly doing because it's just it

2640
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:42,400
feels like something that you have to

2641
01:43:46,390 --> 01:43:44,480
get out of the way but

2642
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:46,400
we got roswell coming down the pike i

2643
01:43:52,550 --> 01:43:49,679
got a great series of episodes uh that

2644
01:43:55,030 --> 01:43:52,560
detail how the craziness that was the

2645
01:43:58,709 --> 01:43:55,040
year 65-67

2646
01:44:01,510 --> 01:43:58,719
that'll be coming up and uh i've got a

2647
01:44:05,109 --> 01:44:01,520
few interviews lined up but uh if you're

2648
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:05,119
interested we are available on every

2649
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:08,480
single platform from apple podcasts all

2650
01:44:12,709 --> 01:44:10,400
the way to spotify if you want to

2651
01:44:15,350 --> 01:44:12,719
connect with me on twitter i am at our

2652
01:44:18,709 --> 01:44:15,360
strange skies and we have a facebook

2653
01:44:21,430 --> 01:44:18,719
page and a facebook group over there and

2654
01:44:23,350 --> 01:44:21,440
uh we also have an instagram page uh at

2655
01:44:25,830 --> 01:44:23,360
our strange skies so

2656
01:44:28,390 --> 01:44:25,840
awesome patreon as well right yeah yes

2657
01:44:31,270 --> 01:44:28,400
we do have a patreon if you want uh some

2658
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:31,280
bonus content where we look at ufos in

2659
01:44:35,590 --> 01:44:32,960
other countries because primarily i do

2660
01:44:38,790 --> 01:44:35,600
the united states so we got a couple of

2661
01:44:41,510 --> 01:44:38,800
uh great episodes about um the falcon

2662
01:44:43,510 --> 01:44:41,520
lake incident and uh

2663
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:43,520
the charlie red star sightings and uh

2664
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:44,800
there's gonna be a bunch of other stuff

2665
01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:46,320
that's coming up over there so

2666
01:44:49,830 --> 01:44:49,040
definitely go check that out awesome man

2667
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:49,840
well

2668
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:51,360
i want to thank our friends at double

2669
01:44:56,629 --> 01:44:54,080
density rabbit hole motel

2670
01:44:58,310 --> 01:44:56,639
uh into the portal it's they all

2671
01:45:00,390 --> 01:44:58,320
contributed to this and all the

2672
01:45:02,470 --> 01:45:00,400
listeners for sending in questions this

2673
01:45:05,109 --> 01:45:02,480
has been so much fun i can't wait to do

2674
01:45:07,270 --> 01:45:05,119
this again with you rob and i have to

2675
01:45:09,189 --> 01:45:07,280
thank you brother for for taking the

2676
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:09,199
time to do this knocking back out the

2677
01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:11,760
bat with me and just shooting the [\h__\h]

2678
01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:13,520
because like you said

2679
01:45:38,470 --> 01:45:29,740
[Music]

2680
01:45:38,480 --> 01:45:47,830
take us to your presidency

2681
01:45:47,840 --> 01:46:03,430
foreign

2682
01:46:03,440 --> 01:46:11,830
oh

2683
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:27,270
[Applause]

2684
01:46:31,270 --> 01:46:29,189
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2685
01:46:33,189 --> 01:46:31,280
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2686
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2690
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2691
01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:44,159
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